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Originally Posted by surya first thing i like to tell that probabitity of existance of spirit is .000001.In my opinion human body is like a perfect robot without spirit and having consciousness(consciousness is possible without spirit),life is like that robot is working properly and death is the situation of robot that you have cut down the main wires of that robot or you have shut down that robot(i,e deep sleep of robot without dream and remainder) |
Hello Surya. From the viewpoint of material objectivity your views are flawless.
It is totally logical and watertight to restrict our worldview to what can be consistently measured and then from the sheer mechanics of all that, all is as you say.
However I personally have some problems because of two separate concerns. Firstly the apparent sense of myself, my apparent free will in a mechanical physical world, the contradiction to entropy that we call life, there is something so visceral and experiential about my experience of ecstasy passion orgasm and so on and equally the awful moments of suffering and even witnessing another person in pain. Something is constantly here - and also the difference between asleep and awake, and the ludicrous experience of dreaming, there is something so vast and so unexplained by all material mechanics that I have to say I disagree with your view, and wonder how you resolve or dismiss this flavour or reality being so real, without which it might not even be real at all.
Second there is always the why? The origin and end of time. The edge of cosmic space and the ultimate smallest indivisible distance of anything real. What you say presumes some form of background or arena for it all to occur in. You can invent a system and it is not real, but it is logical and mechanical.
So simply - who made the robot and what is going on?
And consciousness without spirit is not only possible, I find it generally to be the case. Present company excepted, of course. And that is my point, I sense YOU as a spirit, and it not only seems insulting to think otherwise, if that is a delusion, I am clearly and eternally alone. And if that is true, maybe I do not exist either...