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Originally Posted by harmonygirl Right off, your first sentence I don't agree. I don't live in a nihist society. Most of my friends and family believe in some sort of supreme being, but call it/her/him/them by different names. |
That's nihilism! It's not that they believe there is no god, but that each believes in a god. Or in a truth. Or in a philosophy. And this is how things are. 50 years ago everyone in western culture believed in the god that christian rleigion sai din the bible, exaclty the same, difference were small... But we've evolved into nihilism, each calls something different and gives it different properties etz.
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl I think that you are right and that Nietsche did say we don't need a god, but that doesn't mean that the Goddess doesn't exist. |
This is the proof of my saying that god or universal development doesn't depend on humans. If it did, it wouldn't be god.
Anyway, the fact that someone beliefs in god impplies that god doesnt' exist, for you have doubts to it's existence and that impplies that it is not shown clear in nature. If you dont' belief in god, then it does exist, for it's jsut liek E=mc^2, I don't believe it, it's there. I don't believe in god, and this means that it exists, just that what is god is very different fromt hos ehtat believe in it, I know what it is for I don't believe in it.
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl In order to get to the state where there is no truth, no reason and no reality, one must definitely stop. |
This is exactly it. Time stops and leaves us. We've lost it, and so we have decided to look back at the time we already have. It's like when one wants to have more money but can't, then you look at how much you have and start spending it. It's a law of nature. And this is all Baudrillard.
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl I don't think we live in it, I think we choose to ignore it. Once again, doesn't mean it's not there, just that we haven't reached it yet. So I guess I don't agree with Buadrillard. It sounds like I disagree with Mafesoli's as well. I volunteer a great deal of my time working on human rights. |
Yes, but the human rights are now interpreted as species right. We know think that we ahve rights so and so because we are humans, we are part of the homo sapiens species. But it's not that. The original human rights were done to differentiate us from nature and from any other species,as in us being beings that have virtues and rationality. Now ecologists talk about the right of trees, of wales, of foxes... I don't disagree, it's good. But it's the cause of a misinterpretation of the human rights.
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl This is not a situation of majority rule, but defining what makes society as a whole better. |
Sorry but democracy is neccesarilly the dictatorship of the mayority. And in fact this mayority is dictated by a minority.
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl I think you can judge how advanced a society is by the way the most marginalized people live. |
I agree. In fact, I quote one of my favourite writters, Dostoyevsky "You can know how civilsied a society is by it's prisons". In Sweden there are a few prissons which have normal rooms for the prisoners, with computers etz, and the doors are open. Whiles the USA, which so many believe to be great and the power, has prissons which are as bad as some in latinamerica (and those are the worst, sometimes they appear on tv).
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl In Canada, our system is premised on a belief that everyone is entitled to a minium income, housing, healthcare and food. Some of these started as private initiatives but government has endorsed them (and in some cases contributed.) |
In 1968 there was in france a revolution against the over control of the govermen ton the people. They we're too slow, they had too much order, and politics is not about order but about organisation. Maybe the Canadian goverment should learn.
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl I think we are past post-modern. |
And what are we know then? We are nothing. There are no knew political ideologies created, or philosophical movements, or even artistic movements... We have to a point in spacetime that is terrible, we ahve crossed the barrier of attraction and now we are in the black hole horizon. We're falling to it. but, what is this black hole? It is the inversion of history, the reversion. Everyone know simply gets ideas from the past, some get romanticism, some impressionism, some budhism... It doesn't matter, we're just getting back everything we through to the bin. It was a recycle bin.
The world is a dead body, and we apparently move, what we don't know is that dead bodies keep growing hair and nails. That is us.
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl I agree with you that any Goddess would not be constrained by gender and exist independantly of us. What I don't understand is your assertion that the Goddess doesn't need us. Aren't we in part manifestations of the Goddess? Maybe we are how she apprehends this reality... |
If god is everything the we are part of it's manifestation. But as it is everything, something is nothing for it, and we are part so we are nothing. However, this is if everything is looked as entity, which is probably the conceptual error that has caused more damage to humanity.