[Marko]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nobody

I venture to say that consciousness is emergent, dependant on the complexity of the organization. I see a presence in my dog. I see more awareness in apes and homo sapiens with society as his extension seems, at the present, to be the most ordered of all matter. I do not however discount the possibility of sentient machines, if and when quantum processors become a reality.

Hello Mr.Nobody!

I find the majority of your posts very interesting and profound.

I think that all this makes sense, but with the term intelligence instead of consciousness. Maybe because english is not my native language,because in Croatian we use term consciousness to describe something unique to humans.

So I think that intelligence, as an ability to organise is emergent, and we can see some level of intelligence in biological and non-biological structures.More in ape than in the flower,more in the flower than in the hydrogen atom.

But I dont think that there is any kind of self awareness, consciousness (or sentient consciousness,real existence..etc) apart from human self awareness or consciousness.

So, similar things I can apply on the "machines and computers". They can become more and more intelligent,more organized,better computers and machines, but never self aware.

Self awareness is unique for humans, reasons are the unique DNA structure, unique cerebral cortex....etc.Of course, all that by series of accidents.

So I think that we could make something more complex and intelligent than we are,some kind of hyper-super-computer- but I think it can never become self aware.High organization and high intelligence doesnt necessary mean self aware. It is like this in the humans example. Only in our example high intelligence and high organization resulted with self awareness. But apart from us...I dont see anything else.We are very lonely.



Regards!

Marko