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01-24-2006, 02:14 AM
Wink the Goddess as dependent, etc

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Let's see if I can communicate intelligibly the message. Let's assume god exists. Let's assume, further, that the god that exists has the fundamentla properties of: absolute, infinite, eternal, perfect, omniscient, omnipotent, all-of-nature, and other total-properties. By simpel analize, we can see that all the properties can be reduced to the property of Perfection.
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Your' speaking for yourself. I want. For example, I want to be a philosopher and/or physicist when I'm old. I want to learn, to discuss in the forums, I want to post. I want to eat, I'm hungry. I want, I want...

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Yes. But all I wanted to say is that it's wrong the foundation that human rights are base don us a species. They are absed on us as rational beings, as symbolic beings, I've said already, with a mind, a personality, an individual. This is what Roussau, Voltaire and all romanticism is about. But we must not forget that jsut as romanticism was based on individuation, it was also based on ideation. It had not real connection to reality, and many poets (like Lord Byron, Espronceda...) felt the confrontment of their ideals with reality. Here came Hegel. The state is everything, we can't be in charge of each individual, as the human rights want to make us believe. And if indeed we say that it's not about each individual but all individuals, then we're automatically leaving individuation and generalising.

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What are you refering here to (by post postmodern comment)? I believe death to be very profound, in fact the most profound thing of all, it is the proof of the life, just as the number that comes oout of the dice is the proof of the throw, that is, the neccesity is the proof of the gamble. Everything is a question of perspective, but at the same time nothing is. I'm slowlly but strongly devleoping an attack to Hegel and Nietzsche which I will finally write and post as article. I hope to find a solution to this moment in time. Maybe time has gone and it's too late to do so, though.
Guille,
so much to say so little time. I am, however, starting to get the picture that you and I will never agree on these things!! (but here goes...) I don't know whether the Goddess is perfect (certainly most assume so) but in terms of her dependence upon us, I don't think that your logical solution addresses what I was saying. What if she needs us to appreciate this reality on an intimate level? this is speculation...
In terms of "want", I was alluding to the "state of grace" that most spiritual beliefs aspire to, where there is no desire/want, and we are just happy. I agree with you we are not there yet!
It may be limited for human rights to be based on us (I agree we are not the most responsible species on the planet) but it's a start and a logical one, when you consider our tremendous (collective) egos...although, as I said, this is evolving.
Good for you, I hope you post your attack on Hegel and Nietzsche. I actually think that life is the most profound thing of all, but let's not get into that!
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