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Lloyd Gillespie · **Heraclitus and First Principles -** 01-26-2006, 01:56 AM

Hi guys,

"The entire universe, and divine understanding, in unity with that which we are logical, is the essence of truth." Heraclitus

I thought I'd make my first post here as the question interested me. I think Heraclitus came the closest of anyone about first principles. It's just that he's been poorly interpreted, as much of his original writings were in formal symbolic logic. Still, his statements about "logos" and "being" are the most profound. My reading of him, and my own view is that, philosophically speaking, mind is the first principle, and the organizing principle of mind is logic. It takes logic to produce natural laws, so the way I see it is the original principle, or principles, had to be logical.

Although I've stated this, it doesn't mean that mind had to exist in the beginning. Scientifically, it could just as easily have been an infinite necessity of wave formations into matter, through a simple process of infinite perpetual propagation, required to equilibriate itself, by filling the universe with waves and electrons to the point equilibrium became the infinite necessity. This would be the first law of logical necessity, which in turn would produce all the other wave structured matter building processes, we experience as galaxies, suns, planets, moons, and finally us logical beings. The rest of the laws would have evolved with the matter building process.

Just one of the theories,
Lloyd

p.s.
Einstein is wrong if infinity is right. The two are non-corresponding, incompatible and impossible to both exist as certain mathematical truths. I choose infinity.

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Lloyd Gillespie 9th degree Black Belt Status: Offline Posts: 1,579 Thanks Given: 114 Thanked 44x in 42 Posts Join Date: Jan 2006 Rep Power: 26	Heraclitus and First Principles - 01-26-2006, 01:56 AM Hi guys, "The entire universe, and divine understanding, in unity with that which we are logical, is the essence of truth." Heraclitus I thought I'd make my first post here as the question interested me. I think Heraclitus came the closest of anyone about first principles. It's just that he's been poorly interpreted, as much of his original writings were in formal symbolic logic. Still, his statements about "logos" and "being" are the most profound. My reading of him, and my own view is that, philosophically speaking, mind is the first principle, and the organizing principle of mind is logic. It takes logic to produce natural laws, so the way I see it is the original principle, or principles, had to be logical. Although I've stated this, it doesn't mean that mind had to exist in the beginning. Scientifically, it could just as easily have been an infinite necessity of wave formations into matter, through a simple process of infinite perpetual propagation, required to equilibriate itself, by filling the universe with waves and electrons to the point equilibrium became the infinite necessity. This would be the first law of logical necessity, which in turn would produce all the other wave structured matter building processes, we experience as galaxies, suns, planets, moons, and finally us logical beings. The rest of the laws would have evolved with the matter building process. Just one of the theories, Lloyd p.s. Einstein is wrong if infinity is right. The two are non-corresponding, incompatible and impossible to both exist as certain mathematical truths. I choose infinity.