Theory of Everything - View Single Post - 2006-02-18: The OBE

David Maes · 02-27-2006, 08:46 AM

We seem to be 'replication'-machines. We each time copy ourselves (our DNA).
Sometimes it makes me thinking we use oxygen, food and drink to kind of "chlone" ourselves. It's like we're copying ourselves out of chaos to remain our complex structure. You'ld think we are just copies.
It's just like a virus makes copies of itself also but just in an other way.

You'ld think that living as long as possible is making copies, replication.

The fact is each time we make a copy; it's just like making a copy of the copy you had before; it's becoming blurry.

But what about a tree? I guess it's making copies also; but these doesn't seem to become blurry... The difference between us and the tree maybe could be a difference in metabolism...

We also seem to change as our environnement changes.

Even when we are kind of "chloning" or copying ourselves again and again; even when we change completely, we still experience ourselves as the same person. I guess this might be because of memory. This I think would mean that not the information in the brain is copied, but just the DNA and the neurons. But this copying of DNA also automatically results in copying structures of neurons in the brain. Replication I think is probably inside the genes, which was an advantage in evolution.

When we would chlone ourselves (then I mean like Dolly); you would have a 'strange' result. You would actually talk to 'your own', or more specifically a copy of your own. But I guess you might still experience you being only you; and your chlone I guess might experience him (or her) only him.

This might be because of a difference in the information which is stored in the brain.

So I think to make survive your own consciousness, you would actually have to upload the memorised info of your own into the brain of your copy.

But there could be some ethical burden... Maybe your copy would already have a consciousness; then when you are the copy, it could be that you kind of experience some 'spirit' is taking over your body... But I guess this wouldn't happen, the copy would probably just change in an instant because it receives lots of new info and connections; but would the old connections of the chlone be gone? If not then you would just get another person and not a copy of the original... I guess to make on surviving your consciousness you should need a 100% exact copy of the original (the copy might need to evolve out of the old one in a causal way.).
So finally if you would upload info from the original to the copy, and the copy already had a consciousness, the only way to make survive the consciousness of the original maybe would (in case of chloning like with Dolly) be to kill (delete) the consciousness of the copy. If there wouldn't be a consciousness in the copy before uploading the information from the original, then in case of uploading, you just might not give the consciousness of the copy the chance to exist (I mean only the original would have the chance).

But what would happen if you would just copy (while alive) what's inside the brain of the original into the copy and also remain the connections in the neurons in the original? Would there be one consciousness? Would there be two consciousness? Or would there be some kind of 'splitten personality' of one consciousness? Would they be kind of 'connected' to eachother?
I guess they would already 'separate' right after the moment of copying because they are not at the same place and the same time simultaneously.
(changing environnement).

So I guess to make on surviving the consciousness you should have a chlone or some kind of asynchronic parallel nanocomputersystem which doesn't have a consciousness yet, in which you upload the connections from the brain without this chlone or computer having to be exposed to a new environnement.

But I guess chloning humans is a bit of a problem because chlones seem to die faster than the original; so copying would have to take place more frequently.

Maybe you could 'connect' a chlone with the original by some kind of implanted chip.

Or maybe we could connect a part of the brain made from a laboratory with the original and with a computer, and do some experiments with quantumcomputers.

Sorry, like science-fiction to much.
(You know what's wrong and right).

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David Maes I'm thinking thus I exist Status: Offline Posts: 432 Thanks Given: 52 Thanked 7x in 4 Posts Join Date: Jul 2005 Rep Power: 15	02-27-2006, 08:46 AM We seem to be 'replication'-machines. We each time copy ourselves (our DNA). Sometimes it makes me thinking we use oxygen, food and drink to kind of "chlone" ourselves. It's like we're copying ourselves out of chaos to remain our complex structure. You'ld think we are just copies. It's just like a virus makes copies of itself also but just in an other way. You'ld think that living as long as possible is making copies, replication. The fact is each time we make a copy; it's just like making a copy of the copy you had before; it's becoming blurry. But what about a tree? I guess it's making copies also; but these doesn't seem to become blurry... The difference between us and the tree maybe could be a difference in metabolism... We also seem to change as our environnement changes. Even when we are kind of "chloning" or copying ourselves again and again; even when we change completely, we still experience ourselves as the same person. I guess this might be because of memory. This I think would mean that not the information in the brain is copied, but just the DNA and the neurons. But this copying of DNA also automatically results in copying structures of neurons in the brain. Replication I think is probably inside the genes, which was an advantage in evolution. When we would chlone ourselves (then I mean like Dolly); you would have a 'strange' result. You would actually talk to 'your own', or more specifically a copy of your own. But I guess you might still experience you being only you; and your chlone I guess might experience him (or her) only him. This might be because of a difference in the information which is stored in the brain. So I think to make survive your own consciousness, you would actually have to upload the memorised info of your own into the brain of your copy. But there could be some ethical burden... Maybe your copy would already have a consciousness; then when you are the copy, it could be that you kind of experience some 'spirit' is taking over your body... But I guess this wouldn't happen, the copy would probably just change in an instant because it receives lots of new info and connections; but would the old connections of the chlone be gone? If not then you would just get another person and not a copy of the original... I guess to make on surviving your consciousness you should need a 100% exact copy of the original (the copy might need to evolve out of the old one in a causal way.). So finally if you would upload info from the original to the copy, and the copy already had a consciousness, the only way to make survive the consciousness of the original maybe would (in case of chloning like with Dolly) be to kill (delete) the consciousness of the copy. If there wouldn't be a consciousness in the copy before uploading the information from the original, then in case of uploading, you just might not give the consciousness of the copy the chance to exist (I mean only the original would have the chance). But what would happen if you would just copy (while alive) what's inside the brain of the original into the copy and also remain the connections in the neurons in the original? Would there be one consciousness? Would there be two consciousness? Or would there be some kind of 'splitten personality' of one consciousness? Would they be kind of 'connected' to eachother? I guess they would already 'separate' right after the moment of copying because they are not at the same place and the same time simultaneously. (changing environnement). So I guess to make on surviving the consciousness you should have a chlone or some kind of asynchronic parallel nanocomputersystem which doesn't have a consciousness yet, in which you upload the connections from the brain without this chlone or computer having to be exposed to a new environnement. But I guess chloning humans is a bit of a problem because chlones seem to die faster than the original; so copying would have to take place more frequently. Maybe you could 'connect' a chlone with the original by some kind of implanted chip. Or maybe we could connect a part of the brain made from a laboratory with the original and with a computer, and do some experiments with quantumcomputers. Sorry, like science-fiction to much. (You know what's wrong and right).