[harmonygirl]

Interesting point about animal bad, Andyj. I hadn't really considered animals to fall under this category because there is no malice or greed. You are right, however, there is ego. There is play, and there is killing is out of necessity, to defend territory against predators or for food. Not for economic or belief systems. Maybe there is more grey here than I thought! I am not sure I agree with you that mental illness is "bad". People can't help how their bodies work. If their system is deficient, and they become psychopathic killers (to take an extreme example), the important goal in trying to vest the consequences of their actions with them isn't to punish them, because (depending on the type of psychopath) they will likely never learn to feel what they did was wrong. The consequences are best vested by having them undergo medical treatment to allow them to feel that what they did was wrong. (and also, of couse, to separate them from society).