[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Michael;
Though universe consciousness is an appealing concept and one I've pondered in the past, I remain steadfast to the scientific methodology of measurement in order to qualify it as known. Until then, we can only create a philosophy or belief of this concept. If we allow belief systems to be included in science, then science becomes just another religion. We are too close to that scenario now with Relativity, QM, and M-theory. I can only support you if you can demonstrate a method to measure it.

David,thank you for your reply,and I respect your opinion,I ask that,what would be your suggestions,that would make this theory more acceptable to you.I am sure that we can find a way to measure this theory,in such a way that you will be able to work with it,If we all put our thinking caps on,maybe we can solve this?

Originally Posted by harmonygirl

Michael, great idea! before we unite the way forces are viewed (and I have thought that there are just 2 fundamental forces, with "waves" being the result of an on-going balancing act), don't we need to talk about the "wavicle"? I think that matter is just energy slowed down, so what are the implications for light, etc.?

Good question,Harmony.not sure at the moment,we will of course have to include this,at present,have used the four main forces,gravity,eltromagnetism,weak,and strong nuclear forces,
these I took from the statement of the Toequest,Quest,from the home page.
If this thread continues,as I hope it will,we will all find a way to explain and
include them.And I indeed agree with you that matter is just energy toned
down.

Guille,amigo,
Many,many,thanks,for your kind interest,and the serious way that you are
looking at this,I am grateful for your support.Now I will try and answer your
questions.1,what does "all in the mind mean"To me it means that the "Whole"
of manifested manifestation,the absolute total of the totality of the entire
universe is a product of mind,which is consciousness Itself!
2,What does mind in all mean?Are all things in mind,or is mind in all things?
Or is the all thing mind?Or nothing but my mind exists?Simplicity I feel is the answer here,there are no "things" in this theory,there is just the one THing
which is Mind,consciousness,there are many expressions of this one thing,and
although it may "appear" to be different,look deeply within it and mind will be
present!energy,force,matter,mind,all equal the one thing in this theory.Your
mind exists Guille,but do you really "own it"?Or are you just a "point" of cons-
ciuosness,anchored here in three dimensional space?3 What do you mean by all?The answer to this question is,absolute inclusiveness,the all mind,
intelligence,we all live and move and have our being,the entire universe I
mean here,all on manifested manifestation,is within this All!
4,What do you mean by mind?Good question!To me it means "Creative intelligence" Intelligent energy,mind.That from which we have beingness!
I hope this will assist you Guille,together we can all make a difference!

Originally Posted by Unreal Zelta

I am incredibly curious to know:
Why do we have to unify the four fundamental forces, what do we get out of it? Is it the human nature to unify theories? Or are we not intelligent enough to describe them separately?

And another pointer: How can we be so certain that there are only 4 fundamental forces, which operate this universe? (perhaps we need more to fill up the imcompleteness/errors of those field theories)

Unreal Zelta.
You have made some interesting points.the home page for Toequest is where I got the four fundamental forces from,it is a starting place,we may well find more.I invite you on this quest to try and answer the toe,with the
theory that I have suggested,that all is mind,and that mind is all.Will you help
us,we need all the help we can get.

Originally Posted by baudrunner

The essence of theoretical physics is first to come up with a good idea and then see if the idea holds merit, sometimes through quantification, other times through the sheer logic of presumption. I don't know what makes mathematics anymore valid than logic, since it is not applicable in all areas. We believe in photons, I personally don't know exactly why we do, since they are entirely based on theory and the only way that we have been able to measure them is by way of the energy required to produce the purported evidence. They don't exist by themselves and do not appear spontaneously. They have been established as having no mass and all sorts of inane rationalizations have been presented to explain certain logical inconsistencies, like --- since photons travel at the speed of light they should have infinite mass and exist in a place where time stands still - so they theorize that their acelleration rate from rest to c does not exist, that their acelleration occurs instantaneously, I mean, what an absurd idea! And yet the majority of people still believe in photons. Why? Because light is obvious and darkness isn't? No, because most people are afraid to think!

Baud,we need your input,can we make this sucker work! I have faith in you,we need all the help we can get,if this is to work!
kindest regards michael.