[WithoutMe]

Lloyd,
If that be so, then we would be able to do what Russel & Whitehead once attempted (thru their collosal work).... Can we then equate the whole of life, reality & existence as symbols inter-connected by systems of logic?

But as you may know (me thinks from yur signature), Godel ruined all such plans, but let us not get stuck with that! Instead, if u do believe that there is this "innate" world of mathematics & logic, then I must say that you are one of the proponents of the "a priori" (God knows what Kant was thinking) theory, - that thing-in-itself exist without any relation of conformation.... is that so??

My whole pt. is, even if the noumenal world do exist & as Kant says, there is no way to know it, then why all thus fuss on something which will never yeild a result, one that is not theoretical or verbal but one that can be felt as the hard surface of the keyboard that I am feeling?

By this, I am not saying that the noumenal world doesnot exist, neither am I saying that it does exist, what I am instead saying, is that i DONT KNOW!

Now, can one live with this dont know & not investigate into this "dont know", coz by that one may reach to an answer, but as the answer will be that of thing-in-itself, there would be no way in verifying it with our senses & emotions.... Such a knowledge will be verbal throwouts, without much significance in the things that we actually feel!!! Do tell me, can you feel the number "2" without feeling the "2 candles"?

I repeat -- I am not refuting the noumenal world nor am I onto it..... there is no way to know it as a thing I feel, coz by its very definition, it is a thing-in-itself!!!

I maintain the same stance for all things meta-physical, as I am unable to infer whether a meta-physical statement/theory/proposition is true or false, as they are out of the scope of verification! Note here, I am neither propagating the idea of "logical positivism". Infact, Wittgentein himself quite shrugged of the "Vienna Circle"... in one instance, when he was invited to the Vienna Circle & asked abt something he wrote on his Tractacus, he instead recited a poem by Rabindranath Tagore..... frankly speaking, if you extend any line of "logic" (be it syllogistic or whatever), it ultimately runs down to a paradox & thus, becomes out of our very zone of testing & hence verification. In that way, if we start of theorize or quantize or solve anything in life, what we will get is a bunch of verbal throwouts, whereas life, to me, is much more than that.... life is just THIS!

Trying to investigate, we postulate, extend, simulate, & all this just takes us away from the initial state of mind which is the basis for our knowledge, -- a very dont know mind, but an unsettled mind, & it presumes that it'll be satifisfied when it gets some verbal throwout!!!! Why this need to know? What is the source of this Will-To-Truth?

Is there a sense of "lack" behind all this quest for truth/knowledge/theories & God-knows-what-not???

Regards,
wM.

PS. Going thru theories, ideas, notions, postulates, one ultimately reaches a dead-end, that one simply "doesnt know"....lol!