Theory of Everything - View Single Post

Guille · **Music... At last... -** 06-26-2006, 02:26 PM

Benedict,

Thank you for this great thread.

Music relates to TOE if you think that art is part of the TOE. I think it does, but in a strange way I'm still not sure about and can't explain. As you said, music is the representation of reality, as all art is representation of reality. All idea is representation of reality. And reality without representation is not, it is not being and time (in reference to Heidegger's book), just phenomena and event. Phenomena requiers entity and thus identity, identity requiers unity and thus comparison, negation and assertion, which are the three types of propositions, and propositions must be representation and expression. The conunction of representation and expression is the dualism thought-talk, I think this post and then right this post, you read this post and then think about this post, not about the ideas, but about the representation that this post makes of my ideas. That means that ideas have representation and expression just as the world has, but the difference is that the world is dependent on interpretations but ideas aren't. We percieve the world but we don't percieve ideas. The meaning, the pure form of ideas is not representable nor expresable, and that it has in common with reality. Culture (art, science, philosophy...) will never be able to represent or express the reality of things, only their phenomena (going back). This is a big circle of terms, of which I have explained only a minor part. But the important thing is to understand that Idea gives Dimension to Reality. Without dimensionality, there is no reality. Culture (whether art, science, or philosophy) has to understand that.

Music is the most profound art (please people don't take this as taking importance out of the other arts) because it is not percieved like the rest, visually, directly, mentally. Music is the only art, the only aspect of culture which can manage to go into the sub-consciousness. Psycology has tried for a century, and has failed. This is what I say to Freud: Requiem to psycology.

Someone said (maybe Bethoven?) that 'If god listened to music, he woul dlisten to Johan Sebastian Bach's music. But if god were a composer, he would be Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.' and I think that this proofs partly the depth of music. The other arts depend on the composition, music depends on the way of composition, on the how of the why, not only the how of the what.

About music also Nietzsche wrote a great and very poetic-inspirational book, 'The birth of tragedy in music'.

	(#11 (permalink))
Guille The Thinker Status: Offline Posts: 3,278 Thanks Given: 14 Thanked 9x in 9 Posts Join Date: Mar 2005 Rep Power: 47	Music... At last... - 06-26-2006, 02:26 PM Benedict, Thank you for this great thread. Music relates to TOE if you think that art is part of the TOE. I think it does, but in a strange way I'm still not sure about and can't explain. As you said, music is the representation of reality, as all art is representation of reality. All idea is representation of reality. And reality without representation is not, it is not being and time (in reference to Heidegger's book), just phenomena and event. Phenomena requiers entity and thus identity, identity requiers unity and thus comparison, negation and assertion, which are the three types of propositions, and propositions must be representation and expression. The conunction of representation and expression is the dualism thought-talk, I think this post and then right this post, you read this post and then think about this post, not about the ideas, but about the representation that this post makes of my ideas. That means that ideas have representation and expression just as the world has, but the difference is that the world is dependent on interpretations but ideas aren't. We percieve the world but we don't percieve ideas. The meaning, the pure form of ideas is not representable nor expresable, and that it has in common with reality. Culture (art, science, philosophy...) will never be able to represent or express the reality of things, only their phenomena (going back). This is a big circle of terms, of which I have explained only a minor part. But the important thing is to understand that Idea gives Dimension to Reality. Without dimensionality, there is no reality. Culture (whether art, science, or philosophy) has to understand that. Music is the most profound art (please people don't take this as taking importance out of the other arts) because it is not percieved like the rest, visually, directly, mentally. Music is the only art, the only aspect of culture which can manage to go into the sub-consciousness. Psycology has tried for a century, and has failed. This is what I say to Freud: Requiem to psycology. Someone said (maybe Bethoven?) that 'If god listened to music, he woul dlisten to Johan Sebastian Bach's music. But if god were a composer, he would be Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.' and I think that this proofs partly the depth of music. The other arts depend on the composition, music depends on the way of composition, on the how of the why, not only the how of the what. About music also Nietzsche wrote a great and very poetic-inspirational book, 'The birth of tragedy in music'.