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Originally Posted by dleviwing  Lloyd;
Though mathematics is considered the language of science, it is not infallible to error. Mathematics once proved the Earth was at the center of our solar system. Math cannot be absolute truth until it is applied to absolute reality and the absolute fundamentals of existence. |
I fully agree Dave. When I mention mathematics as related to absolute truth, I am always considering only first order provable and sound complete math, not the incomplete math of higher order math and logic. When we go to higher order math we always have the problem encountered by the lack of suitable absolute fundamentals, i.e., the fact that infinity can not yet be mathematized, and relativity being quantum cosmologically fluid at light speed, yet we can substitute least and greatest magnitudes, to describe our findings and theories with absolute truth to real and absolute fundamentals. Just as many have said, "If infinity exists, then nothing is a myth." Since infinity is known to exist, and the laws of physics must apply to such infinity, even infinity of the greatest magnitude is subject to the conservation laws of physics, i.e., energy or matter, as the same at light speed, must exist infinitely and or eternally.[my reading of your material shows you also agree with this point] My only point I am always making is to first cause of the motion of such energy/matter, and there I see nothing but thermo-hydro-dynamics to fill the bill___first cause of first motion___first cause of first star___and first and final causes of life and death___the cold to heat and back to cold thermodynamic cycle. I think it the most important aspect for explaining absolute cause and effect___and with greatest and least magnitudes math applied, these findings are, IMO, absolute mathematizable truth, through the use of thermo-hydro-dynamics, sound quantum mechanics, sound relative mechanics and sound classical mechanics combonations... I do not belive all of quantum, relative and classical mechanics can explain everything without the laws of thermodynamics, as their central causes___these, IMO, are absolutely mathematizable with least and greatest magnitudes math___even if we have to substitute extremely huge numbers for our representation of real infinity___the absolute truth of such math would lie on the line between least and greatest magnitudes___as we already absolutely know it is an infinite eternal space and a finite matter universe___by all the evidence presented to the scientific eye. The question is about first motion, and were there any angular motion waves or just linear motion waves, in the earlier stages of pre-first-star development motions, and or were there any out waves, or just in waves in this stage of universal evolution, from the infinite existing energy/matter? This seems to be a giant weather system at the pre-first-star stage, and I can't prove how such system would have reacted, but in theorizing the conditions, it seems it would have reacted much as our present weather conditions do, i.e., the conservation of first and final motions... Any comments Dave?
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