[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Nobody You say "initial" here, Lloyd, but initial implies a first/beginning and that conflicts with your saying "infinite/eternal" to create a paradox in itself.

I used initial to express the condition of infinite energy/matter's first stage of eternity as motion___infinite motion, yet still the first law___absolute, infinite, eternal motion. And BTW, a self-creating motion, by the laws of physics. Singularity dialogue always seems paradoxical, but true paradoxes are impossible.

No literal movement is possible for relative thermodynamic laws to manifest because the universe as a whole has no concept of distance or speed - it is simultaneously everywhere and nowhere in particular.

Laws do not manifest. They are simply the descriptors of quantum, sub-atomic, atomic, and cosmological actions. Laws do nothing in the universe, except describe the results of energy/matter actions. We discover them, and think they are more than they truly are.

Which is why I proclaim that the universe doesn't exist as a whole.

Smash your fist into a rock and see if it's real! Get real, will ya?

I disagree. I don't think time can exist by itself.

Just as a thought experiment, imagine the infinite energy/matter, as a rational finite number, say a googol to the power of a googol, as the number of years it took the initial energy/matter to organize itself into the first star big-bang___I think only a fool would recognize that not being time. Time exists as the absolute descriptor of the super-trans-rational infinity distance, of its said energy/matter/void/space motions. You must realize, even though I'm theorizing, that if the speed of light was many times faster, in the early universe of first star development, then quantum energy/matter would have traveled and spun much faster, thus was much hotter___the thermo-hydro-dynamic genie...

It doesn't matter what speed light exists at, it's still the speed of light, and nothing changes. Light speed is absolute, no matter what speed.

There's a difference between absolute quantity and universally absolute. Light speed is a universal absolute because nothing can travel faster than light according to the relative natural laws of this particular universe. We can call it the absolute reference frame that Newton depicted - with it being infinite instead of 300,000 km/s - because those aforementioned energy transfers required for relative existence creates energy densities that result as the cmb which slows light down a heck of alot.

Thermo-hydro-dynamic cold is the only thing that slows the universal speed of light. Of course many densities of matter slow the speed of particular light sources. CMB is contained within the infinite thermo-hydro-dynamic void, and I should imagine light may extend beyond this membrane also, I don't know, as finite light and space/matter may be curved. Light is not possible of being infinite, or the laws of physics would be invalid. It had to be created, to create what we see as the infinite space and finite matter universe___the only sensible scientific creation of light possible is thermo-hydro-dynamics___the genie of self-compressive heat, from absolute cold.

It is not zero, it is itself___always. As to "light creates matter and antimatter", what creates light is the proper question___what existed before first star light? As to "nothing," tis impossible, if we are going to have a logical universe functioning by the laws of physics, and it certainly does.

You're violating the Uncertainty Principle with your proclamations of certainty, Lloyd.

Nice try, but the uncertainty principle does not apply to such nonsense___it only applies to quantum and sub-quantum motions and momentums. It can also apply to the macro universe of quantum-cosmological-relativity, but no true observer position is possible___it's still just an Einstein dream state...

Certain scenarios created from certain reference frames can create a logical world, but the universe as a whole doesn't have to conform to our limiting laws, and it can have little to do with the absolute nature of light.

As above, our laws limit nothing, they are just discovered descriptors of phenomanons. The universe conforms absolutely to its own self-evolved laws.

I view it as infinite because, as I said before, there can be no such thing as time and distance, and no such thing as time and distance is the same as light travelling at infinite speed and not travelling at all.

Boy, you talk about the snake eating its own tail___paradox. Either light travels or it doesn't. Either energy/matter motion is real or it isn't. Try standing in front of a fast train___is it real or not... Jump off the Empire State Building___Splattt!!!

The conservation laws of energy and matter require it to be infinite and eternal equilibriums of only different organizations of motions, also seen as finite matter.

I agree, but only in the illusory sense of the word. Without differentiation, there is no existence, and that is the state of absolute reality.

What is the differentiation of the infinite, eternal, cold void? Not what it creates, its differentiation? Is it the only self-creation of motion and light, all and absolutely from itself or not___the interaction of the infinite void/space energy/matter? Time, distance, heat, cold___there are many questions?

As a hint to help you out, study David's journal of fundamental absolutes, then compare my rantings.

regards