[Lloyd Gillespie]

Just collating material:

Antonio, I am very pleased to see such sagacious genius, in this post. You have stated almost exactly what I have been referring to for the last couple of weeks, and in most of my CQR[classical/quantum/relative] posts. I truly think this is genius. Let me break it down in my own language, for simple comparisons.

Originally Posted by AntonioLao The big bang is caused by the equality of spacetime.[In my thinking this would be the low entropy state of classical infinite eternal thermo-hydro-dynamic, space-time, motion and strardust{one degree of 0k motion and one degree of matter-it exists}] This is a state of perfect symmetry.[I see this as the equilibrium state of the infinite dark matter and radiation building side of the real singularity-trillions of years of evolution, on the other side of light to balance this side of light___after its massive nuclear explosion] Once this is broken the effect is nothing more than the birth of the contact universe.[I see the contact universe as the singularity, being quantum/relativized inside___then exploding its quantum/relative contents into a finite space-time quantimized/relativized reality of and through massive entropy, now radiating away, on its way back to classical low entropy infinite space-time thd motion and stardust___decayed real matter] Although secondary imperfection and inequalities are realized globally, at the local infinitesimal region deeper than the spacetime of quantum false vacuum fluctuations the remnant pf primary perfect symmetry still lies.[yes, low entropy infinity would still exist inside the cqr finite space-time___as we surely witness, as 3.7k thermodynamic vacuum/eather] The closer matter and energy approach this center the more effective is the exertion of the primary forces becoming stronger than the strong nuclear forces of quantum mechanics and standard model of elementary particles.[this would be the beginning of the quantumization/relativization of classical non-quantimized/non-relativized infinite into what all quantumists/relativists know as our present space-time reality___thd would create such a direction of center by its very own infinite motion of compression___first as a virtual monopole of motion___then, trillions of years later___a real motion/matter monopole singularity] Since every spacetime point is a center of perfection the primary forces are repulsive preventing a universal collapse.[all explosions of symmetry breaking are initially repulsive___tis the internal dynamics of quantum wave/particles that continues said dynamics___my thinking of the jitterwebung of the electron is a three sphere manifold inside each sub-atomic particle/wave___maintaining all motion and its central core of gravity___all the fields are in symmetrical equilibrium, to maintain matter's and space-times shape and equilibriums] However, odd and even groups create centers of matter and energy while the remaining non-centered regions formed squares of energy as quanta of the true vacuum. [Here is where I see it all as thermo-hydro-dynamic high entropy motion of a thermal system of weather systems analogies___winds, vortices, hurricanes, whirlpools and tornados, etc., etc.,___not only in classical low entropy infinite space-time and motion/matter, but as well inside the forming singularity, and also after its massive explosion, of its massive mass of real motion/matter___that's light velocity entropies and therms, or close to, or possibly just over, as may be the truth of the cesium atom's cycle, and our true and real observation of, as its logical observers]

Anthony, the internal dynamics of singularities is quite well known physics, by understanding stars into singularities. The proof is the fact of the cesium clock in relation to the cmbr. If all this radiation, were theoretically[it can't really happen] returned from finiteness and infinity, to finiteness, it would be one massive singularity, beyond our present estimates. Such a scenario of the number of years of universal decay, 10^96 say, years___ that's a massive increase in the singularities mass, and would be an increase in the past's true velocity of light speed, just as the cesium clock and cmbr, plus all other universal radiation, is logical proof of the slowing of the speed of light, through mass loss, and universal expansion, now and in the future.

Anthony, please let's look into these dynamics you have set forward, and see where we can go.

sincerely,
Lloyd
A fellow low and high-rad drifter

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Thought I'd add my response to Guille's pm, as it is further explanation...

Originally Posted by Guille The point I understand is that you are dealing with infinity in a way physics accepts it. I don't understand how, that is, the part from 'fom the tick-tick-tick....' to 'relation to cmbr'. all that I didn't understand, can you explain? the rest yeah. I'll check your posts. I think I'm getting nearer to developing things to liberate from deconstruction and all that 'no-limits' thinking which leads to definition breaking and absence of sense leading to absurd infinity. I hope your infinity isn't just another face for that absurd infinity.

Excellent Guille, we are closing ranks. I think if you read the other posts it will save time in explanation. Anyway, the tick-tick-tick of the exact timing of the cesium clock, accurate to one second in 300k years is a measurement we can logically found true distance measurement on, that does not require a virtual observer. We know certain facts. We can logically deduce many other new facts. We can combine many logic states, to uncover new facts, especially in relation to the outside, newly discovered models. Penrose, Davies and Hawking are all in agreement that the hot big bang is the most reasonable model of the universe. It's just their logic has not gone far enough into what created the first singularity, from infinite classical low entropy space-time, which in turn created our finite quantum/relative space-time. Now, of course you'd ask, how can we prove this? The differences between cesium decay, or any universal decay, the cmbr as proof of such decay, the knowledge of such decay spreading into the distance, all the way out into infinite classical space-time, our new logics obtained from such collective model, can in fact prove motion's advance, just by the simple reasoning that some radiation[loss of finite universal mass] is lost to infinite space, beyond some of our present light cones possible history. This would be an absolute measurement of distance___for the first time in history. This is my realization, alone. I have used every type of logic, and logic exaggeration to prove it to myself, and can't find any flaws, though I think it will take much total explanation. The explanation is in pure classical mechanics, and my new realization of quantum/relative motion as existing in that order___scientifically necessarily, due to the fact, after reducing finite quantum/relative space-time to absolute radiation decay, in low entropy infinite space time___I looked around, with virtural logic, and could find no quantimizer, no relativizer, no vacuumizer, no gravitizer, etc., so where did such known entities come from at the stage of the primary singularity? There's only one logical scientific solution___they absolutely had to evolve, from the low entropy state of infinity's motion/matter of decay, and it's eternal motion of thermo-hydro-dynamics___the only self-creating-uncreated motion possible. The laws of physics demand the conservation of such a state of motion/matter, even in the absolute state of decay___the q/r spact-time universe can only decay to the state of one degree of motion and one degree of matter, i.e., minimal stardust[it exists as the end result of decay to its maximum/minimum state] Thus, this would leave the necessary two building blocks for another finite universe, with enough trillions of years to reconstitute. Such reconstitution would require another singularity, black hole hot entropy explosion, just as happend in the last cycle___scientific logic dictates such a singularity's necessity, as there would be or can be no other quantumizer/ralativizer of finite space time, from such a decayed q/r space-time. It's a circular logic loop that is scientifically sound, especially when all decay dynamics of the cesium atom's accuracy are accounted for___the universe's absolute loss of mass to an outside entity___true low entropy infinite space-time, outside the Einstein light cone[the time all light and radiation has had to travel] The early universe's light and other high rads would already be far off into true infinity, due to the thinning of the real classically understood reality, of the thermodynamic quantum/relative space-time's decay rads, reducing the spins required to maintain quantum/relativity's symmetry[equilibriated constructed shape]. Light cone thinning reduces matter/mass coherance___no new spin sources in vacinity... It takes suns, etc., to keep all spin, spinning___as it's a perpetual motion thermo-hydro-dynamic process, on into a quantum/relative spin process. Logic dictates t.h.d. act as an early low entropy state infinity virtual monopole, due to its self-existing implosion energy of 0k, to the singularity's real monopole of real thermodynamicized quantimized/relativized gravity center. Logic dictates the universe have a real quantimizer/relativizer___where else would it be? Also, the vacuum would need to be first created by the massive thermo-explosion, as any explosion creates a vacuum at its center. The logic and facts all fit. It's a lot more complex, explaining the internal dynamics of the first singularity, yet possible, when you realize it's all classical thermo-hydro-dynamics[not meaning water, but compression physics] motion/matter under high pressure, high entropy, high volocity physics___the speed of light, plus all the radiation mass, induced velocity of light, that would have been present at formation and explosion dates, somewhere on the arbitrary time scale of between 10^-69 to 10^-137 years, according to who's rad decay figures used. I like 10^-96 as an arbitrary figure for evolution of singularity years, as it represents the natural elements, and could even represent the universe's dna heat signatures of formation, because it's all light speed thermodynamics___in classical detail...

Sincerely,
Lloyd

I'll be glad to answer any questions, as it allows me the chance to fine tune the model. Maybe we have the makings of a real physics toe here. What ya think? Let me know what I'm missing, or have wrong, or how details work, classically to quantumly relativized, as it's a single process inside the first singularity, if that was the first singularity, or maybe only one of 96, say, but that's a lot of googols of years. My computer brain don't go that far...

Anthony and Guille; The central point above is the discovery of absolutely real measurement, of classical, quantum/relative motion. Heat loss, due to radiation decay, is real classical measurement of motion! This creates a universal law of: The universal law of absolute classical, quantum/relative motion measurement[real radiation heat loss into classical infinity] is a true measure of all universal motion. This is not reference frame observation dependent___it is logic's direct cognitive perception of universal reality, in the whole.

I'm also adding this post from another site as further explanation:

I agree with everyone, and all the older physicists and cosmologists absolutely knew the same thing___infinity is absolutely real. If you would really like the best debates about the universe and infinity, check out Geordano Bruno, 15th century, I think. He is probably the greatest cosmologist alive, at that time. He answers just about every question possible to pose, in his five dialogues. Infinity was real then, it's still absolutely real. My only problem is people reading to much meta-science into it. There absolutely is no proof possible, that it is alive. I still state___this is a meta-science assumption. Show me the proof, in a test-tube case, and I'll believe you. But, as it stands, I can use a self-proving logic to prove it is nothing but inanimate matter/motion. And WSM still fits the entire scenario of infinite space waves___but___not infinite annimate descriptions___of any kind. Though I be extended into infinity, by wave structures, and infinity be extended into me___that in no way scientifically makes that infinity alive___The quantum river of scientific thought can not be crossed with science___in this scenario___as this meta-science can not be anywhere's near proven with true provable science. In fact___the proof seems the other way around. Let me explain.

The most accurate basis for sound fundamentals of physics, I can think of is the cesium clock, with an accuracy of 1 second = 9,192, 631,770 cycles of the standard Cs-133 transition. The tick-tick-tick of this atom is a representation of the atomic decay of the entire classical, quantum and relative space-time universe___as figured by Hawking, in the 70's, at 10^137 years___now that's a lot of time___37 googols of years, give or take a few. Hawking's most recent figures for certain classes of singularity decay is as low as 10^65 years___still a massive amount of years. Even though he figured the entire death of the finite universe over thirty years ago, he didn't fill in the details and implications, until more recently. In fact, he may dare speak the implications, sunday night, as you mentioned in your next post. I doubt he will dare tell the whole story___as the truth would shake, not only much of the scientific community___but would be majorly offensive to the religious communities of the world. If you had followed his work over the last 10 years you would realize, his and Penrose's full mathematics, observations, and ideas portend a future death of all classical, quantum and relative space-time motion states, out into classical infinite space and motion, i.e., WSM.

Now, you may ask why WSM? If you follow the reasoning of the cesium clock, and Hawking/Penrose calculations___you would come to the same conclusions___all finite structured matter is decaying into infinity at the rates mentioned above, or there-abouts. It is different for different areas of space, due to age. It is also different for different eras of the slowing from singularity to now, and another era of inflation again, out at the edge of future light cones___that will rapidly increase radiation decay. The self-proving logic is the relationship between the cesium clock and the known CMBR___which just happens to be a giant road-map of the entire universes decay___losing mass___physical matter expansion___and shrinkage of motion, i.e., the slowing of light speed at the proportional rate to atomic decay. The implications of these proofs, to religion and other meta-beliefs is profound___because the end result of decay leaves only thermo-hydro-dynamic infinite imploding motion and stardust___the tinyest bits of absolutely decayed matter and infinite motion is all there will be to build the next cycle of WSM. THD has only one degree of motion___and will not a living being make___unless you are willing to accept a living being with absolutely no free will, or choice of any kind. Hawking and Penrose have both been pondering whether to make their findings open to a larger public___the religious backlash___from anywhere could be horrendous.

But anyone can take a ride on a cesium atom and easily come to the same conclusions. Motion and matter die away into infinite space and the tinyest micro-bits of matter___then that leaves only two absolutes to build the next 1.classical 2.quantum 3.relative universe with___infinite motion and finitely/infinitely small stardust. Can't wait to see the size of the numbers and weights of the singularity, thermo-hydro-dynamic infinity and stardust must create___with dead cold energy and dead cold stardust, to create our next innanimate matter to annimate being universe. Hawking's black hole radiation theories are accepted science. Much of cosmology is bearing out Wheeler, Hawking and much of Penrose, though they still have many meta-physical alligators to kick out of the physics swamp. Physicists see no paradox in Hawking's thinking as you have mentioned. He has not changed his mind. He has just decided to go public with old long held ideas and knowledge. If you were to re-run the universe you would see classical infinite THD one degree imploding motion and finite matter rebuild quantum/relative space-time, all over again___unless the tinkering with major elemental additions has not overly changed the cake-mix's DNA[direction nuclear action]. If it has the next time around is a different universe___who knows exactly what? Dead, fake, or alive? Fun to find out. Guess we'll have to do a lot of trans-finite, and trans-infinite virtual thinking. Maybe the virtual linear super-luminal accelerator would be a fun ride.

No matter how you cut it the cesium clock does not lie. It is a self-proving logic of the radiation loss of all finite universal mass, with enough years___period___dead! Also it wouldn't take much thinking to realize, infinity is non-quantimized, non-vacuumized, non-relativized, non-gravitized, etc., etc., on and on____as it possesses none of the above, if you only truly fill in the blancks and Planck's of cesium decay's portent. The astonishing realization is that infinity and its self-motion matter must create a real monopole singularity from its virtual monopole infinite motion of self-implosion to refurbish the universe with a quantimized, relativized vacuum space-time that can possibly support life, love and magic___once more. A black hole singularity___self-logically proves to be the only reality a classical one degree infinite imploding matter motion eternal entity is capable of doing. So, if you want a crippled god, so be it___you can't bring him back to life___he's eternal death, that scientifically produces annimate life, from an innanimate stew of quantum, bio-chemical, mechanical motion and electricity, and whatever else needs to be added to the quantum broth___googols of years hence. Sorry, there's no other reality___physics is king___eternally___infinitely...

Regards,
L.A.Gillespie

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If you'd like I'll use a self-logical proof to explain how singularities___immense singularities of real motion/matter___quantimize and relativize inside___then explode___re-quantimize___re-explode___inflate the universe___twice___and a third time in the future___and all from the self-proving logic of Hawking, CMBR and the tiny cesium atom's tick-tick-tick... Matter/motion is much, much deeper than you can possibly think, without a thorough explanation of three motion singularities___that's three manifold spheres, inside a sphere___the Poincare conjecture___solution... Kind a like 3&1 oil...Only real quantum/relative thermo-hydro-dynamic motion of matter___in a singularity___of many singularities...


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Hi Zeroca, you and Einstein are both correct. Lorentz had already done the close to light transformation calculations before Einstein's ideas became popular. Einstein also knew all of Lorentz's work because he published much of it in, I believe, his g.r. material. If you carefully check their work, you'll find that mass increases as it approaches the speed of light is true, but thermodynamics takes over at the entropy stage very near light speed and mass sprays massive radiation decay to end at zero or very near zero, at the speed of light. All mass transitions are absolute thermodynamic motions, very similar to boiling water's entropy into steam. Not so complex, when looked at this way, just very fast entropy motions.

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MK, take a ride with me someday, on a decaying cesium atom, all the way to infinity and back to the finiteness singularity creation of all quantum/relative motion. It's just a simple ride of scientific re-incarnation of reality. It can explain the quantum river of nitric acid Heraclitus stepped in, never twice, and the one to dis-appear christ's body, leaving only the shroud, of the silk highway to the mysteries of most all meta-exaggerations. It's all simple self-proving logic, since I discovered how to relate the cesium clock's accuracy of 1 second = 9,192, 631,770 cycles of the standard Cs-133 transition to absolute finite quantum/relative space-time universal decay. Take a chance, join me on a few virtual cosmic scientific rides. What's to fear. It's only truth.

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That's my point Z, meta-non-physicians don't even recognize when science is being referred to___they take it personal. Metaphysics has no proof possible___none. Only science can be put in a test tube, and proved, etc., etc., therefore meta-non-physics is a non-starter___period... Z, there are no questions to ask of unproven brain states, referred to as meta-magic-physics... Try the cesium clock, for starters... Scientific accuracy to one second in 300k years... One of the absolute fundamentals of physics___radiation decay...[hint-just realize it exists under quantum/relative time frames, yet acts as a classical motion] Please, try to remove the meta-non-physical alligators from your thinking. Follow the cesium clock's true quantum relative cosmological decay of, 10^137 years, and just try, with trans-finite, and trans-infinite virtual logic to see what is truly there... All molecular motion and decay of matter always decays to real absolute finite matter and absolute infinite low entropy thermo-hydro-dynamic motion___always and eternally... The laws of radiation decay, represented by the tick-tick-tick of the cesium clock, require the entire space-time universe's decay, into tiny bits of absolute stardust, and to rejoin infinite thermo-hydro-dynamic motion and matter, at the time mentioned above... Don't try reversing the above, it won't work. Thermodynamics is a one way arrow of time; you'll need to use the other side of logic to build it back to the original absolutely real dark matter singularity, of re-quantimized and re-relativized matter motion___then re-explode it, to start space-time all over again___the entire infinite/finite circle must be completed... The path back from total universal decay, into infinite, non-quantimized and non-relativized, infinite space and its finite matter is also, most likely, 10^137 years of evolution, to thermodynamically equilibriate it's de-volution decay___the principle of equivalence... The entire S1 and S2, infinite space and finite space, are always in absolute thermodynamic equilibrium... Now, there's a start___fill in the blanks. If you need help___ask. I have the entire logic puzzle, as a single piece... And it's entirely based on real science___the tick-tick-tick of the cesium atom...as is most true and real physics...

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Hey guys, just a hint. If we accept the laws of physics as fundamentally sound, which most true scientists do, myself included, then what about the conservation of energy and matter law. The law, as you probably know, states that neither matter or energy can be destroyed or created, only converted, one into the other... Then I ask, how could there ever be any such foolish idea as nothing? This applies to any model, absolute, relative, solid, squishy, finite or infinite. If the laws of physics are true and fundamentally sound, under all these models, then energy/matter is the infinite and eternal substance, period. I would suggest basing your findings on sound and absolute facts and laws, please... Theorizing, as a thought experiment, is fine, but it should not be carried into our scientific conclusions. I suggest getting the absolute fundamentals down first. Instead of all this mythical nothing talk, why not look at the infinite absolute and eternal thermodynamic energy/matter cold imploding void, before the finite relative space-time exploding heat engine of our present finite/infinite universe of stars and planets, etc., residing inside its original cacoon of the infinite, eternal, absolute thermo-hydro-dynamic energy/matter void/space. Just as Einstein stated, we can logically know it's all thermodynamics, it's just a question of how it all works...

I simply say it's all thermodynamic motion... Infinitely, eternally, absolutely!!! And, BTW, thermodynamics is the only self-creating force!!! Just as Ol' Uncle Einstein long ago said, "Matter is condensed energy," or the other way around energy is condensed matter, or so so.

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Thanks Nobody, but I hold to the original explosion scenario___It's, IMO, the only mechanics of the universe that fits the actual laws of physics and thermo-hydro-dynamics. The inflation, only, theory makes no sense coming from nothing. The laws of physics require an infinite, eternal existence of energy/matter___IMO, it's just the original forces of motion and their evolutionary organizations that matter. The laws of physics become invalid if the entire energy/matter is not infinitely eternal___We know by all experience that the laws of physics are fundamentally sound___even when all classical, relative, and quantum cosmological relativity mechanics are considered. A universe coming from nothing makes no sense___a universe inflating without a description of original motion cause___makes no sense___scientifically. It must have the only original self-cause scientifically known___thermo-hydro-dynamics___and such a self-cause would create a true big bang explosion by simply/complex deisel through hydrodynamic compression and condensation of original wave/matter, as we now know it. How it formed then is the real question___before the first star was born___we can know the rest of the story___explosion and inflation of real wave/matter are, IMO, both true...