[dleviwing]

Hi Lloyd;
May I suggest we start a little slower and take one issue at a time and keep our posts a reasonable size that can be responded to. Let’s start by looking at what we both, and hopefully others, recognize as flaws in the current BB and try to define the fundamental substance and its properties; Then we can go on to discuss the more complex issues.

PRIOR TO THE UNIVERSE EVENT:
As I see it, we have agreed on an axiomatic concept of existence that states:
Axiom 1.. An infinite void or place does exist. (Absolute void)
Axiom 2.. An entity that promotes physical phenomena exists. (Fundamental matter)

We could call this substance “Dark Matter”, but dark matter is defined as producing gravity. At this phase there is no mechanism to produce gravity. So let’s go on and define our concepts of “FUNDAMENTAL PROPERTIES” of this substance.

I have expressed one property as being the property of “Bonding”. In my view this is just a function that the substance will adhere to itself upon contact. You interpreted it as saying it had quantum field properties. Quantum interpretations do not come into play at this phase. QED does not come into effect until the substance evolves into structure and interactions of structures. (thermodynamics and wave mechanics)

If this “Bonding” property is agreed upon, then we can state it as a third axiomatic concept of “SELF-AFFINITY”. If not, then let’s continue to discuss fundamental properties and debate our differences.

Axiom 3: Fundamental matter adheres to itself – Self-Affinity.

BTW: My calculations for the volume of the substance prior to the universe event is approximately a 50,000 kilometer diameter sphere. We can discuss the math latter. Relative to the infinite void, I guess we could call it a zero point, but not as it is currently interpreted.

Are we ready to go on, or does someone need to discuss this Pre-event state further or think it is just mythomania?

Lloyd: I would like to change the name of your thread to something more fitting to what we are doing. Maybe “Universal Evolution”. Let me know.