[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi David,

Let me just first post your axioms, as I agree to them, with slight variations, and then add my own.

"PRIOR TO THE UNIVERSE EVENT:"

Axiom 1.. An infinite void or place does exist. (Absolute void)
Axiom 2.. An entity that promotes physical phenomena exists. (Fundamental matter)
Axiom 3: Fundamental matter adheres to itself – Self-Affinity.
Axiom 4: Matter has “Absolute Motion”. Any autonomous system formed by matter must have the equivalent of this quantity without exception. [Please define quantity as used here. And please explain what "scientific" creates absolute motion.]
Axiom 5: Fundamental matter must be eternally existing. All later systems of, must exist as varying state changes of this fundamental matter.
Axiom 6: Fundamental matter must be thermally motioned, thus fundamental matter is thermodynamic, in and of itself, as it is one unified substance of matter motion. They can never exist separately.
Axiom 7. Fundamental knowledge of the absolute ground state can be acquired, through the decay model mechanics, of the present finite universe, in conjunction with the symmetric laws of physics.
Axiom 8. Every axiom must be accounted for by either correspondence to absolute finite/infinite reality, or the integrity and symmetry of the laws of physics, unless new scientific laws can prove supremacy over the existing laws.

These 8 fundamentals are all I {think I} need to build the entire universe of a later, much later finiteness. Our discussions will have to find this out.

Dave, IMO, thermo-dynamics means motion dynamics. It's the largest used cosmological system mechanics, to figure present finite universal motions. I see no reason for it not to apply to the absolute fundamental matter. As a matter of fact, I find no other "scientific" motion even possible, at this first state fundamental. In your original Wingit, you stated a state existing at zero Kelvin. I agree, or possibly 1mK above 0k, since low temperture physicists claim this to have been reached with 3^He. BTW, the quantum state changes at the low temperature end of the spectrum seem to be showing similar results as your accelerator high temperature observation. IMO David, the entire universe is hot and cold matter motion, and nothing but___anywhere/everywhere___always.

Now, to proceed from here I think we must clarify our differences, or if you have more fundamental axioms needed to build your universe, please state them. When we both agree to the numbers needed, and agreement of definitions and understandings, we can proceed to discuss the motions and mechanics needed. We are both realists, so we know the fundamental substance would be no more than the existing decayed finite universe___in state changed form. Can you agree? I don't want to get too elaborate, as we have some discussion to have our ideas meet, so that's about it for now.

Sincerely,
Lloyd

p.s.
David, I noticed the newest member, Dewd, is an absolutist-realist as we are. I think we should invite him into the thread. What say?

Also, here's a law I penned the other day, that pertains to our ground state fundamentals;
The Universal Law___The ground state of infinite zero Kelvin matter motion can never be destroyed___It can only change state of self-motions.