[Lloyd Gillespie]

David, IMO, you can not define the linear ground state with anything from finite state quantum mechanics, other than linear motion, which is actually classical motion, as is thermal motion. In the linear ground state of absolute matter motion, all motion must be described by the existing matter motion of a void. Remember, "All is matter in a void." The low entropy thermal motion exists in this void, just as your Wingit Toronic Model stated___you can not avoid it___it must be considered as part of "All is matter in a void." Otherwise, your model has no motioner, except, "Let there be motion." We both know this is impossible. So, let's define Axioms 3 and 4, from what we absolutely know existed at the first infinite void's ground state, and not use quantum mechanics or any GRT motions to describe this state, as they are much later existing states of universal matter motions. Low entropy thermal motion is, and has to be, linear motion___thus of the existing ground state. You can't just skip trillions of years of universal evolution, and go directly to go... We must fill in the blanks between your absolute motion toronic model, and my low entropy tornadic motion model___I assure you they are compatible, even to the velocities, or at least close. The low entropy motion model is the completed foundation of your high entropy motion model. They are of the same infinite void's thermal eternally existing linear motion. If you try to skip this fact, you may be making the same mistake Feyneman made by throwing out mathematical infinities for re-normalizations___short cuts don't work___as history has clearly shown us.

Originally Posted by dleviwing Axiomatic concepts: Axiom 1.. An infinite void or place does exist – The Absolute void Axiom 2.. An entity that promotes physical phenomena exists - Fundamental matter Axiom 3: Fundamental matter adheres to itself – Self-Affinity bonding.[IMO, this still needs much more linear motion definition___not quantum definition___as it doesn't yet exist. Self-affinity must be linearly defined, robustly.] Axiom 4: Matter has “Absolute Motion” – A fixed quantitative value as a system constant.[IMO, the only fixed quantitative value as a system constant, in universal evolution is change, other than change is absolute, as is matter, attraction, place and motion. This doesn't mean we can't have sound mathematical definitions, based on absolute matter. I guess you'd have to further define this fixed constant as a sub-axiom. The scientific foundation of absolute motion needs to be stated___robustly.] Axiom 5: Fundamental matter must be eternally existing. All later systems of, must exist as varying state changes of this fundamental matter. This is only an extension of Axiom 2 and only provides greater clarification.[We should also list the extensions of all the axioms in a., b., c., d., e., f., formats.] Axiom 6: Fundamental matter must be thermally motioned, thus fundamental matter is thermodynamic, in and of itself, as it is one unified substance of matter motion. They can never exist separately. This too is only an extension of Axiom 4 as clarification of the AM property.[Again, IMO, it must be listed, as should many other sub-axioms of all the axioms. Otherwise, we just jump too quick to unfounded finite conclusions of our infinite imaginations.] Axiom 7. Fundamental knowledge of the absolute ground state can be acquired, through the decay model mechanics, of the present finite universe, in conjunction with the symmetric laws of physics. I have no idea what you are referring to with this statement. I don’t believe it is needed and may only be confusing. “IMO” [IMO, David, I see no other way to explain all the complexities of universal motions, which need to be discussed and explained, for your absolute high entropy absolute motion to form and exist___in the linear ground state___which both models agree exists___if you agree with what you wrote in the Wingit Model___and "All is matter in a void".] Axiom 8. Every axiom must be accounted for by either correspondence to absolute finite/infinite reality, or the integrity and symmetry of the laws of physics, unless new scientific laws can prove supremacy over the existing laws. I’m not sure what you are trying to define with this one and don’t believe it is needed either. “IMO” [In this one David, I am just trying to assure that our interpretations of the axioms conforms to finite reality, where it does apply to the infinite ground state reality. Of course most of the finite realities of quantum and relative mechanics does not apply to the ground state of classical linear, only, motion___as classical motion only applies at this evolutionary stage___quantum and relative only appear on the scene at your toronic model's final stages, out of my tornadic model's first stages. As you probably remember, I stated month's ago about the initial ground state being no more than one infinite weather system of matter motions___and now say for trillions of trillions of years, before first singularity___or your toronic model's high entropy motion stage ___2*10^20m/s. I believe you meant miles per second___correct me if I'm wrong. These two system models are entirely complementary.] Let’s just continue with greater detailed clarification of the properties of this fundamental matter – Axioms 3 and 4. Axiom 3 – Self-affinity: This property is the essential property of matter that allows all particles and structures to form. All the bonding terms currently defined in chemistry and physics rely on this property to function. This also includes electrical and magnetic bonding. This is only the fundamental nature of the property; the behavior of self-affinity is influenced by the states of matter and its motion distribution of which the wave nature is a significant part of its function.[This is what I mean by jumping too fast to the finite state of matter motion, in trying to define linear motion___it does not yet apply. Start at what we have to work with in the ground state of linear motion___only. We can later add the quantum and relative, but, the thermal low entropy motion state is linear, and always has been. It has no other way to exist. This will take a fully understood model of fundamental thermodynamics of the ground state to know why this functioning knowledge is first absolutely required. As far as I know, this ground state of required thermodynamics has never in history been discussed___as it relates to why low entropy must exist out side of high entropy, and why it cannot be reversed, theoretically or for real, i.e., the arrow of time. There can be no other high entropy outside of absolute ground state low entropy. All finiteness must exist inside absolute ground state low entropy motion, and with low entropy motion also existing within all high and low entropy finiteness, for cold to work against heat, or heat against cold.] Axiom 4 - Absolute Motion: Other than volume and self-affinity, Absolute Motion(Va) is the only other property of matter. It is a fixed quantity that defines the sum quantity of all motion types of a physical system or structure of matter. This motion consists of "Random Motion (Vr) " and " Uniform Motion (Vu)". Linear velocity and spin velocity are types of uniform motion whereas chaotic wave vibration interference is the random motion component and the nature of matter that is illusive to our senses and to our instrumentation. We have come to know this state of matter as a vacuum, space, or spacetime.[Here again, David, after you earlier stated to not deal with QED or GRT, you enter them. I can understand why you do, as I also insert the thermals, but thermal is of linear ground state matter motion, whereas QED and GRT are not___They are clearly much later quantumized states. So, is there any way we can come to agreement on what actually comes first, or was first state, especially when your Wingit post states absolute zero existing as a linear component of toronic motion? Can we stick with the basics of ground state matter motion, or motions of.] Any value of 2c or greater will function in today's current equations but the value for expansion used by QM is more likely to be the most accurate.[David, IMO, if you would continue with the early definitions of the ground state linear dynamics of absolute matter motion, I think we will both expose the inadequacies of present formal mathematics of most mechanics. By doing this I can show you where your model's soundness, can be made much more sound, by fitting it to the true time of universal evolution___most likely 10^137 years, as that is the figure Hawking gives for a complete static model universal decay. With radiation spread that many years distance___almost a semi-infinity___It would have taken most the same number of years to evolve to this quantum finite state. This in no way eliminates your toronic model___it reinforces it___as the opposite of all universal decay back to singularity most likely produces motion velocities approaching 2*10^20m/s, if that's a figure you are comfortable with.]

So, can we discuss the straight linear absolute motion dynamics of absolute fundamental matter, with all the infinite void's true pieces of ground state in place?

I see a three phase state of fundamental matter___substance state___motion state___thermal state___of one unified linear state of thermal matter motion. I would call this the unified three phase state of fundamental matter. IMO, there is no motion possible without thermal scientific motion. Thermal does not stop your toronic model from working___it completes its scientific motion's workings. Thermal motion gives toronics a scientific absolute linear foundation of autonomous self-motion. Low entropy linear thermal motion is the impetus for your high entropy toronic absolute motion___ya gotta start at ground state___low e-motion. {e-motion=entropy motion} IMO, the universal principle of evolution is slow thermal linear, to fast thermal linear, to fast and slow angular/linear matter motions.

IMO, David, we are working toward the absolute tornadic/toronic center of the first state thermal matter motion universe's singularity. I see the ground state universe as absolutely linear infinite thermal matter motion___one absolute of. IMO, all matter motion is absolutely thermal, as an infinite state changing potential. I see absolute self-affinity as thermal___always. Finally, IMO, thermodynamics gives a true universal time scale to, scientifically, soundly build a real evolutionary universe.

David, I hope we can work this out, as I know it's the possibility of an entirely new model for physics, and possibly will lead to the understanding of a new philosophical TOE.

Sincerely,
Lloyd

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David, IMO, we are talking about a low entropy infinite linear model, that creates a high entropy angular/linear finite model, from say, an absolute non-viscous fluidic matter thermal motion. If this helps...