[Lloyd Gillespie]

David, if you would just try to start talking to me, instead of above me, when you are not, we may be able to get somewhere. Now, science and physics have for years, or even centuries tried to resolve the infinity problems and falsely seeming paradoxes. You say this is impossible, as have most. This is not true, and it's your own "All is matter in a void" post and your own four axioms which actually can and do prove the science and theory of the past wrong. If you would just take the time to apply as much ability of thought to relating your "All is matter in a void" and your four axioms, to infinity___first___before trying to jump to applying them to finiteness___you may find you have truly discovered something really big___the answer to history's greatest mystery___how absolute infinite changing state thermal matter motion produces the absolute center seeking motions creating the first absolute mass finite singularity, that just happens to quantumize and vacuumize finite space, at its infinite space void center___thus setting up a quantumized wall between infinity and finiteness___thus allowing the conservation laws of physics___and all other laws of physics to function properly and scientifically___while still maintaining the ground state___no electromagnetics yet involved___gravity and such are created inside the first finite singularity___the only scientifically sensible reality, when all the scientific facts and laws are truly respected. There's no sense continuing this I know more than you, because you don't___let's work together to show where each's thinking is right and wrong. You could do most for the ideas by just answering the question I asked you almost a year ago___if you believe so strongly in absolute motion, with no clear foundation, then just simply please explain where your high velocity motion comes from___what generates the high velocity in your Toronics Model? You think you're dissapointed in me? I've been trying to get you to face the realities of -c and true c, point and plus point, 0k and +0k for almost a year, and you keep interjecting these genesis ideas into most every explaination___there is no scientific ground___what-so-ever___for anything above c, below 0k, and less than point. Furthermore, there's absolutely no science to support absolute kinetic energy velocity beyond c, clumping of matter is directly against all known thermodynamic science, and there's absolutely no scientific evidence of any temps below 0k. So, as far as I can see, we only absolutely have c & -c, 0k & + 0k, and plus point to scientifically work with___all other exaggerated scenarios are nothing more than genesis mythologies___religions. So can we stick to the known scientific facts to truly explain the universe? Please...

David, my model shows all matter motion, low or high entropy, low or high velocity, to be center seeking, and caused by its source of origin in the infinite thermal matter space void, on into the first finite singularity, of first low entropy mass, and evolving over billions of trillions of years to a huge absolute mass and mammoth angular/linear quantumized explosion as absolute motion vacuumizing, electrifying, magnetizing, molecularizing, nuclearizing and gravitizing our idea of finite space___this, of course, is partly conjecture, but is the only model my model finds to be compliant with all the laws of physics and finiteness decay of matter motion, as its scientific predictor. It's all center seeking state changing motion, even as is clear from the paper you referenced above. The only state changing difference at high entropy, high velocity, inside the first finite singularity is instead of thermally cold center seeking motion, it's state changed thermally to hot center seeking motion, controlled by the many imploding, compressing, hydro-dynamic centripetal, centrifical, rotational, centrifugal, centrifissial and centrifusal forces of motion inside the singularity, set in play from the macro-dynamics of infinity, itself, i.e., the original eternal state changing thermal matter motions of low thermal entropy and velocities. Just as in economics, it's not the micro-economics that controls the entire global system of finance, it's the macro-economics that controls the micro world of economics and our very lives, and so is it true of macro-physics controlling the micro-world of quantum, relative and classical physics. It took me years to figure this out, but the tail doesn't wag the dog, the dog wags its own tail___the first infinite singularity of eternal state changing thermal matter motion is the dog wagging all tails___the cold quantum state of linear only motion is first, as both of us agree___we just must work out the total scientific details of this big dog___first...