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Originally Posted by subversion maybe your theist friends just believe in the hopelessness of science, that it can never explain everything, and so they ascribe to a god. Hence god is the comforting explanation for the unkown. You on the other hand, believe in the theory of everything, which is the hopefullness of science, that we will eventually understanding everything. If our hope in science is substantiated, science will result in the TOE which will elucidate god and bring about the mooring of science and religion! Then your theist friends will be surprised, and maybe a little sheepish. But I think there is a commonality between us and them, they place their hope in god, we place ours in TOE, which does seem to be more rational if you ask me. |
Yes, that is also a good point.
Most theist people always believe that because of the fact that we are atheists then, directly, we don't believe. Not only in god, but in nothing. But that is not true, although maybe in some cases, yes. Atheism is the deny of god and non-believing in god. Not non-believing. We do, for example us two, believe in the TOE. I believe that Barça will lose today against Valencia, and because Madrid won 5-0 (!!!!) yesterday, Barça players will start getting nervous, and we may win the league!!! I believe it. But I'm still an atheist. Because there is mathematics for the Madrid thing:
Barça has 3 more points than us. if they lose, this will stay the same. we have 3 more matches apart from this week, and in each match: win:3 points, equal: 1 point each, lose: 0 points. So Madrid can win the three maches, and if Barça only loses two more, or loses one and equals one, then we will win.
Can god exist with mathematics? I proved that I believe in Madrid winning the league because of mathematics, that's why I believe in it.
The fact is that god, now, has become something very different to what he was intended to be, to stand for, to cause, and to mean. God was created somewhere (not exacts dates have ben obtained) between 15000 bc to 75000 bc. He was created to be the fear of people, of the villagers, to afterlife. So that they were good. So that the people that were smarter could govern them. So that the people who were smarter could reduce them to nothing. Like soldiers, dressed in the same clothes, wearing the same boots, having the same guns, the same hair.......when soldiers become soldiers they are shaved and dressed equal in other things so that they have no personality, to reduce them to nothing. so that they get disciplined. Well, something similar happened between the given years in the land between the rivers Euphrates and Tigris. The belief was created. To control people. If you can control your people, then you can be over them. Then, the first civilizations/empires began. With the belief, the fear to it, and the "order" that had been created, the civilizations could be well-based organized, have mercantilism, have contacts between lands, have what humans search by their nature.......::P-O-W-E-R::........
Now, god is simply there to explain what science or other things can't explain. Maybe also for the fear of afterlife. Well, god is a really lazy invention. (Thats why I think it could have been created here, in Spain). Just having something there to explain it, is like if I say that Mallorca F.C. will win the LEAGUE: this is mathematically impossible, because they are 3 last of the league. I promise that if this year the Mallorca F.C. wins the league, I will believe in miracles, in religion, and in god.
PS: Two days ago I sold my soul to one of my theist friends. He has a paper were we both signed explaining that I sold my soul to him for twenty cents. He still has the paper. I wonder what he think he has. I wonder if he has lower IQ than Forest Gump, or if it's just that he is too religiously blind.