MIRACLES,
Are they just fairy stories to give comfort to children ?
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Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick  Many thanks theunify for your last post,I cannot share any miracles with you,not that wonderful and uplifting spiritual experiences have not happened to me,they indeed have!
But,I do not believe or accept the idea of miracles,and I will tell you why.
In my limited understanding,for I have only been studying this for a mere 30 years,I once met an elderly man who had been "practising" meditation for 75 years,he told me he was just "getting the hang of it",but was still learning??
A miracle as I understand it,implies a suspension of natural law,for this "event" to occur! And as natural laws are perfect and absolute in operation, this cannot EVER happen!
What instead seems to happen,is that a higher spiritual law,that we do not encounter very often,comes into play and manifests itself,to our great surprise!We see mostly just the heavy and somewhat dross physical laws in regular operation,but we need to be ever mindful that there are many other "higher laws" that ascend the scale of vibrational output from the heavy physical laws throught those of the astral-plane,the etheric-plane,higher
mind-and soul-plane,plus the vast infinite oceanic spiritual planes of Beingness? Miracles are a wonderful idea,and no doubt make us feel special,after all God suspended his lawful intent just for me??
I myself like the idea of them,but alas I also know that they are fairy stories that can give comfort to children,but we are all grown up now are we not! regards michael. |
MIRACLES,
Because i know of a higher spiritual law that allows miracles to happen - does that negate the miracle that happened - because i know of the higher law is a miracle no longer a miracle ?
To the vast majority who do not know of the higher spiritual law a miracle is a miracle - because one knows of these laws does that mean that a miracle is not a miracle - NO, it simply means that miracles are not miraculous events that very rarely occur - but that they are a factual part of life that can become normal every day occurances.
This in no way negates the fact of the miracle per se.
The miracle per se is not denied - that it cannot be a regular occurance is denied - that it can be a regular occurance does not deny that it per se is a miracle.
What we are discussing here is not whether an occurance is outside of natural law - what we are discussing is whether or not it was Divine Intervention that suspended the natural law. Divine Intervention in this physical-material world --- which is functioning under the natural "Law of Karma" or "As You Sow - So Shall You Reap" --- IS A MIRACLE !
Miracles in fact are proof that God does exists - to deny miracles is to deny God who is performing the miracle ! ! ! ! !
Michael, Re your remarks about miracles,
QUOTE " I myself like the idea of them, but alas I also know that they are fairy stories that can give comfort to children, but we are all grown up now are we not." END QUOTE
I personally find this statement very disturbing - are we not told that we must become as little children - to enter into the Kingdom of God ? ? ? ? ?
It was my belief and trust in God that allowed Him to perform His miracle through me. If that means that i am a little child and i am not all grown up now - then, i am a little child who believes in miracles and the Unconditional Love of God to forgive us and suspend natural law - and i pray that i never grow up if it means losing that belief in miracles and the God of Unconditional Love who performs them through us when we turn to Him.
Miracles per se are proof that God exists - to deny the miracles that Divine Intervention produces - is to deny God who produced them through His Intervention ! ! ! ! !
Without miracles whatever the kind - whether experiences of rising above body consciousness - or experiences of Divine Intervention healing dis-ease - or whatever - where is the proof that God exists without some form of miracle that suspends natural law ?
QUOTE Michael, "A miracle as i understand it, implies a suspension of natural law, for this "event" to occur! And as natural laws are perfect and absolute in operation, this cannot EVER happen! END QUOTE
This comment shows a complete misunderstanding of natural law as it relates to spiritual law - although the "Law of Karma" as natural law may be perfect in its operation-it definitely in no way shape or form is absolute!
On one hand you say that there is a higher spiritual law that we do not encounter very often, that comes into play and manifests itself, and on the other hand you say that "a miracle as you understand it, implies a suspension of natural law, for this "event" to occur! You then go on and say, "And as natural laws are perfect and absolute in operation, this cannot EVER happen"! What are you saying here ? - does higher spiritual law suspend natural law or does it not ? ? ? ? ?
Well michael, perhaps you can explain what occurs when the higher spiritual law comes into play and manifests itself ? Is not the manifestation of a higher spiritual law per se a suspension of natural law where it occurs ?
This is not a matter of who is right or wrong - this is a matter of information reflecting Truth.
Miracles as the Divine Intervention of the Unconditional Love of God is the hope of a helpless humanity dying in the loss of the ability to help itself !