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| Lloyd quoting David Hume ....."When we run over libraries, persuaded of these principles, what havoc must we make? If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion."[1] David Hume
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Lloyd .... Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning facts. NO. Commit it then to the flames.
Lloyd I am of your persuasion. I agree with the above quote. But you must understand that our, yours, mine, and many others opinions of what is a fact is not everybodys idea of a fact. Regardless of the FACT that we are right and they are wrong.
Lets suspend our dis-belief. Lets let them have a say.
Then gently, kindly, after we have nibbled on their hook and they feel the bite, let them know that we also have opinions and that in order to get us to the landing net they will have to digest OUR facts. They will never listen if you shout at them. Lets engage them on their own grounds and may the 'correctest' win
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| The rules of this Thread .....must also show with physical facts, how it exists. Anyone willing to take up the challenges presented?
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This is the rule you set !!
Michael's first reply, after thanking you, contained a fact. Here it is
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Because I see life everywhere I look, I am aware that what I see is only a physical representation of an inner reality, and it is that "inner reality" that to me is the animator, the energiser of all motioning
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When you and I agree on a fact, we know, because of the knowledge we have in our memories that what we see as the fact or experiment agrees with that which is in our memory. We would go further and explain that even our memories are simply another physical/material system. Michael is saying the same thing !!
It is not possible to have a productive thread if we are not flexible... I think the rule you set is fair ... posters should provide evidence of what they post ... but I also think we should intrepret the rule more generously .. or, as always, it will end in an interminable argument where the original idea becomes submerged in personal claims and counterclaims.
lets all give it a go.. lets consider what others say and pause for a few moments before hitting the reply button ....... greg
