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dleviwing 
The Toronic concept started by viewing all terminologies of “energy” as being nothing more the action or interaction of physical substance in motion.[Absolutely true] Eventually this lead to realizing that to conserve mass and energy, motion must be conserved and yet if motion could be exchanged, then potential energy could not exist.[Ah...I have to say, false.] The result was to make an assumption that motion was a property that could not be exchanged nor could it be altered in its total quantity within any system. This lead to the comprehension that mass was also a function of motion and thus the concept of uniform motion as being the cause of mass resulted.
David, would you like to continue trying to sort out our differences? I think we should, since the meta-heads are trying to dominate the forum, most likely due to our disagreements about fundamental substance motions. May I point out above, that you are making an assumption of an assumption, thus creating our different views of motion. You are defining motion as a
property, when in fact it's only our "I" cognition of universal events. Motion is not a fundametal
property, it is the fundamental result of thermalizing substance. Herein lies the fundamental problem with your above statement about motion being a property that could not be exchanged, nor could it be altered in its total quantity within any system, which is a false interpretation of substance's thermodynamics. We cognize substance moving, but the fundamental is thermal___the result is motion___action/reation. Motion is not any such fundamental property___it is clearly a secondary function/reaction of the thermodynamics/action of absolute fundamental substance. When you see this fact, you will see that it's not motion being exchanged, but
substance temperatures only, that actually produces and exchange all absolute infinite substance motions___so it's temperature variances that are actually the exchanging principles of the laws of thermodynamics, and motion is no more than another of physics' metaphysical alligators, the same as time___improperly metaphysically interpreted. Temperature produces all prime motion, motion initially produces absolutely nothing, it's a boogey-man that doesn't exist___in the absolute, except as a secondary of our cognition, and thermodynamics. When you understand this, you actually understand how the universe truly works. This allows absolute fundamental thermal substance to be infinite, and fill the infinite space/void, without running afoul of the entire symmetry of the laws of physics. Temperature allows the absolute fundamental substance to set up the real quantum wall between the fundamental universal ground state, and the quantum ground state___the first thinner density linear substance temperature, can not overcome the second more dense quantumized substance temperatures, thus allowing the thermal balance of all universal therms, what you have mis-construed/assumed/conjectured as fundamental motion___when in fact, it is a secondary reaction___to fundamental thermdynamics___the uncreated self-creator of all universal actions___the prime mover...
Thermodynamics of any system is, as I'm sure you are aware of, equivalent to the total kinetic energy of the same system___the equivalence principle of total kinetic energy and total thermodynamic temperature. I hope the above has shown why your thinking has used an unnecessary
assumption, that actually invalidates your absolute motion, as an impossibility, as explained by you. Yes, absolute motion exists, as the overall motion of the total infinite universal system of thermal substance, true enough, but is in no way, the prime mover___thermo-hydro-dynamics[temperature] alone, is the prime mover. We cognizantly illusion motion into the prime mover, when it is truly the outcome/reaction, just as is time. Mass is the third process of the initial substance therms, as the secondary force of thermal motion advances toward its real substance singularity, heated in size and power, through thermodynamic compression, as it proceeded toward the universe's highest entropy ever to have happened___real substance hot big bang. Temperature can only exist in two states; toward hot and toward cold___both produce absolute motion, all the way into the infinite void___unless you believe in nothing's void possibility...
"Nothing can be created from nothing." Early Greek ?
Regards,
Lloyd