[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Planet_Bob

Hi Lloyd,
the source of the force, IMO, is based around the second law of thermodynamics; appropriate as that's the one which stipulates about entropy. The fundemental rule is that cold things cannot transfer energy to hot things. So whenever you have a difference, in this case thermal, the rules of engagement are already fixed.

Steven, I agree it's all based around the second law of thermodynamics, and I agree that cold things cannot transfer energy to hot things, but there's nothing in the second law of thermodynamics, preventing hydrodynamic compression of initial photons into heat, and hydrogolic ignition, as of a first star___we see it happening all the time in cosmology. This would not be transferring heat, it would be creating heat from initial FS /photon friction, of self-thermo-hydrodynamic motion.

More will always move towards less and never the other way round.

When were dealing with FS, were not talking about more moving towards less___were talking about the whole moving within itself, from itself, and back into itself___the equilibriated whole universal motions. So, there's no such thing as moving the other way___this is where it's rather hard to see the overall thermo-hydrodynamic actions, yet I've been separating these fundamental motions into their individual constituents for some twenty-five years, and I see it's overall equilibriating dynamics quite easily, and still well within all the laws of thermodynamics and physics.

As to the uniformity that the FS is after, only when the entire FS is uniform will all conflicts end.

I agree, and I'd call it thermally equilibriated hydrodynamic substance motion___but does such a state ever evolve, when the hydrodynamic photon field is imploding/contracting and the hydro-electro-dynamic field is exploding/inflating? I suppose the perfect equilibrium state is achieved, only at the turnover of the universal cycle, at the next finite cycle's start, and this finite cycle's end.

The only way I can see this happening is if every photon in the Universe was exactly the same size, travelling in exactly the same direction, effectively every photon, in relation to every other photon, would be stationary.

This isn't possible, to have any motion___one aspect of the photon field must be stationary, yes, but photons must be free to be moved by all wave and atomic structures, in order for them to take on photon mass, as they move through the photon field. Just as a laser moves photons fast enough to cut diamonds, as easy as a razor through warm butter. And we have Hau's experiment showing photons moved by and compressed by super-cooled hydrodynamic low temperature physics. Every photon in the universe could not be the same size, because we must have all space filled, even in the photon fields inside all atomic structures___the only way to fill this space, completely, is to have photons of all sizes, all the way down to the infinitesimal photons, just as beryllium tightens up the molecular structure of copper, so that a #24 wire is stiff as a sword, and one can take a six foot piece, and easily push it straight through a living person, without the person, hardly feeling it. All smaller atoms tighten the molecular structure of other atoms___and there's no reason to think photons would not do this at the sub-atomic level. If they be round, they must exist down to the infinitesimal size to fill this bill.

I think that what ever the initial difference was that brought our Universe into existance started something that can never be stopped. The creation of the Universe can never be undone.

The only creation I believe is the creation of no creation___it's always existed___I only use stationary motion models to get my head around the required motions of FS. IMO, it's an eternally moving FS.

Thermodynamics deals with heat and heat is transmitted by, you guessed it, photons. Anything giving off heat is emitting photons and fluctuations in heat are differences in photons.
Thermodynamics is similar to hydrodynamics in that it is one step above the FS.

IMO, thermodynamic, hydrodynamic, hydrogolic motions absolutely must be a property of PFS/Photonic Fundamental Substance, or there's no motion possible___an inert universe___impossible.

Everything builds from them and everything decays down into them. It would appear that this fact is being lost on all the bits in the middle.

I agree completely___the physics community can't see the trees, for the forest. There's a lot of wasted word spray, over the last hundred years.

To heat something up you need to apply more energy, that energy is in the form of photons. You can't heat up photons, the photons merely add to the overall energy of the electron causing a change in its characteristics. To change back it must get rid of the additional energy, which it does by emitting a photon.

This I can not agree with. Photons must be the one fundamental substance entity, that can be both heated and cooled, otherwise, what in the entire universe changes temperature___to the drastic degrees required to represent all the universe's vast thermal variations? Look at the temperature change increases in directed energy weapons, lasers to survey with, verses, lasers to cut diamonds___we know photons move and drastically change temperatures___this is scientific fact. And further, Hau's experiments show photons can be super-cooled and compressed, just as most any gas can be___there's no tricks here___this is just factual science...

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Lloyd

p.s.
Steven, try to see a little deeper into what I've just said. If you can see photons do change temperatures, then we can explain the hydrodynamic mass actions of all quantum and sub-quantum fields. I'm referring to the hydrodynamic mass increase of all quantum molecular field masses, and all sub-quantum photonic field masses. If you can see a photon field, of millions of photons, inside an electron, then you will see the photon structure the way I do... I can only see all the field mechanics working, if photons are allowed to be all sizes, and all temperatures, and also existing in stationary, as well as moving states, even if they must hitch-hike on atomic and molecular structures.[BTW, we already know photons come in many, many, varrying sizes, from radio waves to gamma rays.] Certainly, you'd have to agree that photons in the center of stars are hotter than photons in the air we breath? The hydrodynamics in stars even fuses photons. I see the hydrodynamics of electrons, as just a smaller version of a star, but it seems to blink on and off, instead of shine steady. I also see two aether fields, one within the other___the em aether field exists within and without the photon aether field. The photon aether field is still imploding/contracting, while the em aether field explodes/inflates... At this stage in our evolution, the em field has more power, but at maybe 10^137 years hence, the photon aether field will hold the power, once again, to start another round of universal evolution...

Dr. W., I'll get to the possible infinite eternal meta-photon singularity later...