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Originally Posted by dleviwing  The spiritualist and the metaphysics people assume that the materialist and scientist know nothing of their discipline. That is only their illusion to justify thinking we do not understand them. Most of us have “been-there-done-that” and have evolved beyond it. We have found that creating a reality based on what we don’t know, only leads to a reality of myth, magic, and superstition.
You are being preyed upon by the scum of human existence; those who will sell you a dream for a dollar; wake up and educate yourselves!! In those fields you are either the prey or the predator. Science is the guardian of the prey.
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dleviwing, you state that materialists and scientists know some thing about spiritualist discipline well i am impressed that you know something about their discipline and you understand them but what on earth does that have to do with spirituality ?
Spiritualist = a person who believes that the dead communicate with the living.
Spirituality = is the science of developing Higher Consciousness in man on the level of the soul, and making one transcend from mere body consciousness into Cosmic Consciousness and further on into Super Consciousness, so as to enable one to understand the working of the Divine Plan. In a nut-shell
' Spirituality ' contents itself only with "Self Realization" and "God Realization."
Obviously you know nothing about spirituality or the science of spirituality and have no understanding of it in that you have mistaken it for spiritualism (i.e. the dead communicating with the living). You go on to say you have done that re, "Most of us have "been-there-done-that" and have evolved beyond it. "We have found that creating a reality based on what we don't know, only leads to a reality of myth, magic, and superstition."
After your experience involving communicating with the dead and having evolved beyond it you then went on to creating a "relativity" that you mistake for reality based on what you don't know i.e materialism (for by your own words you do not know what matter is) a pseudoworld or holographic image in which there is no actual object - a world of magic and superstition or smoke and mirrors.
No doubt it was and is your former involvement as a "spiritualist" re "been-there-done-that- which is causing your confusion and keeping you blind to the profound illusion that you, Lg, and other materialists are imprisoned in. The mind is the main magnet and the world is its huge magnetic field and the more we struggle to get out the more are we entangled in its meshes.
The only way out is to enter within where we are creating the magnetic field by our thoughts (electro) and storing them as (magnetic) stored memories - concentrate in the eye-focus at the single eye stop your thought i.e. the congealing of Light into frozen matter - focus your attention as Pure Coherent laser light on the matter stored in your mind as magnetic memories increase there vibrations and turn them back to Pure Light - step out of the past and future you are creating - separate from matter and realize your Self as "Conscious Aware Spirit" which is Unchangeable Permanence
YOU have been preyed upon by the scum of human existence, those who sold you and LG a dream for a dollar; wake up and educate yourself to the "science of spirituality" ! ! ! In your field of materialism you are the predator and your science is not the guardian of the prey it advocates the manipulation and imprisonment of human "spirit" as the prey "imprisoned in the matter" that you and Lg advocate as the fundamental Truth !
What are materialists such as yourself ,Lg, and others doing at ToeQuest when the Theory and Truth of Everything is outside of and over and above matter ? If you are truly in a quest for the T.O.E. why do you persist in the illusion of matter ? To realize the T.O.E. and end humanities suffering we must rise up out of matter that must be rather obvious to any one not dead yet ! ! ! All you materialists what are you doing here there is no T.O.E. in matter so what are you doing at ToeQuest ?
ToeQuest is the quest for the Truth that lies outside matter how can you ever find the T.O.E. that lies outside matter when your very own "unity" ( i.e. your Infinite Conscious awareness) or Truth is "individualized" is creating matter and is imprisoned in it ?
Truth imprisoned in the matter that it is creating has identified with matter - matter has become its medium - it no longer knows Itself - at its human 8% level of consciousness - It must rise above and separate itself from matter in order to know Itself which is per se the Theory and Truth of Everything ? Before and After ! Alpha & Omega !