[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Nobody, I see we still have a few quantum ghosts to excise...

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Well, that explains it for me. I really don't think it's a linguistics problem at all, because we can wrap our heads around various interpretations, but a problem of empirical and theoretical science preventing philosophical interpretations that allow science and math to be extended. [I whole-heartedly agree.]

In the other thread, Lloyd, you had thought I referred to a reduction of energy density over time, but I'm interested in how we can reduce the energy density. I wanted your hypothetical explanation of how you think it could be done. [I do not think that is possible, yet, except the fact the universal evolution, by itself, will, in billions of years, decay the energy density, to the thinnest matter/motion density ground state of FS. The zpe at the bottom of the quantum well is almost that___NZE{near zero energy}. The energy at the top of the macro universe is also beyond our mathematical manipulation, as to reduction___It takes to large a volume for humans to scientifically manipulate. We seem only able to increase/reduce energy/matter density, such as Tokamak spherical test reactor experiments, bombs, etc. IMO, the only means of extracting matter energy is through the many physical processes science already employs, i.e., fission, chemical, mechanical, etc. This does not mean future science will not achieve/invent a way, yet I know of none, except possibly a super-cooled magnet switch, to create a perpetual motion motor, from permanent magnets___this I see as highly possible, with the proper materials, and planetary style gearing.]

You still think that it is only Zeno paradoxical to have a literal universe with an internal functioning without external containment - the "no outside" that we both agree on. Yet entertain that further by considering the difference between your perspective and what would be the universal perspective in the following:

It takes you x amount of time to travel from one side of town to the other - your persepctive; but it takes no time for the universe to reach across town, and without motion as well - the universal perspective. So problems do arise when we subject the absolute universe to relative human standards. [No, I see no problems, except interpreting the laws of the universe, to operate separately from the discovered universal laws of man___they do not. Though the universe be in absolute contact with itself, and its parts, the universal laws of matter/motion still apply. Light still has to chase its own tail, for the mechanics to work___period.]

Also, your reference to qualia is relatively moot, I would say, and if you figure that one out we will have made a quantum leap you and I. [It's just the interpretation abilities, of training your brain to function on more than one level, at once. You can not see the whole functioning universal mechanics from any single perspective, yet it's not a philosophical problem, it's a simple personal perspective problem. Just as Black-Jack card counters, or master Chess players, can hold many mathematical perspective concepts, in their heads at once, so can any human being, with enough linguistics and mechanical matter motion training, and all within the universal laws' respect. It's not Zenoistic___It's simple logical common sense practice.]

It is all based on quantum x, but some will focus on 1-1 as being one quantum consisting of two quanta; others as two quanta; still others as the result of combining the quanta; and science, understandably, on only half as being relevant. [I wholely agree.]

Everyone must learn to function as Huygens taught us centuries ago, it's all a highest probability universe, and "The highest probability, of the highest possibility, is the only possibility." But, I highly agree, this positional perspective is the hardest to achieve, with all the complex brainwashing, most of our mind's DNA, has been ingrained with. Theoretical universal practice is the only solution___I know of...

Lloyd

p.s.
Nobody, if you wish to discuss the above deeper, could you please ask a, or some direct questions? My DNA processor seems to function best with such a direct approach, as I'm also limited, by the whole world's super-consciousness DNA, limiting my abilities of clearest visions...

Nobody, type this into google and have a gander... Naomi S.Ginsberg, Sean R.Garner, Christopher Slowe, Zachary Dutton - Check all the related articles... Hau Lab and others... Most recent light stopping discoveries...