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Once expanded, twice shy. - 12-12-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by yanniru
Bottomline, about as much material existed before the BB as after.
I agree fully with the statement that as much material (as in potential energy/mass) existed before the BB as after. If however you mean that there was materialization before the BB then I need to place a question mark there.

We cannot know if there was materialization before the Big Bang, and if there was this also establishes for our currently materialized universe that it too can return to a state of pre-Bang preparedness. It is an interesting set-up, but it would be in conflict with the significance of nothing I discovered - where separation is seen as the reason of our universe's existence; a return would not be possible for our universe. With the action of letting go - by creating separation - our universe exists in a changing but non-reversable state.

The second problem I have (though I do think it is an interesting set-up) is that it does not help explain the working of our universe: it may only help to establish a position of balance, but does not help explain. A fundamental nothing has a function that may be of help in explaining the forms of materialization we find: energy/mass finds expression in various ways while incorporating an external nothing (as in: independent forces exist due to fundamental separation). As such it helps explain that what we find. I do not get any extra tools out of a set-up with baby universes. How does it help creating a better understanding of our universe?

Though I can see how the current result may deliver instances on which a return to the initial state of the Big Bang is theoretically available (but according to me not in reality), this still does not deliver enough evidence that this has happened before. What I am trying to say is that it may be (theoretically) available now, but was not available before the Big Bang.

Sorry for the lousy analogy but when quick enough a chicken can be put back into an egg (theoretically), but it doesn't mean that before the chicken came out of the egg, the chicken had gone through a phase of being put back into an egg before. It happened once and only theoretically can the chick be put back.

Please see me as an interested party - even when I do not see how it can be possible.
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