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Benedict Broere · **Re: What music is closest to TOE ?? -** 05-25-2007, 12:58 PM

Mark, Michael,

Let me add this: I think we always have to be very cautious when using the word "God", because of all it's connotations coming out of it's huge history. Also the real mystics of all cultures end up using words like 'enigma' and 'mystery'. They sometimes speak a lot, while advancing, but ultimately they stop speaking, stop using words.

'God' seems to be something that is beyond thinking. Maybe this is what you mean Mark, in what you say. But I don't think it is possible to intuitively get any hold of this subject, for then use the word 'know'.

We can intuitively make a leap forwards into a better idea concerning this universe and possible maybe it's TOE, it's 'central order' or 'pattern that connects' (Gregory Bateson). But then a whole lot of explaining and making plausible will have to follow: convincingly showing how it forms the key to the whole fabric of this universe, while speaking to people who are very sceptical and have all kinds of different points of view concerning this universe. I think, as I have expressed in this thread and others, 'thinking music', 'thinking universe as a form of symphony', 'a variation on a central theme', might be such an intuitive leap.

For me it is without doubt that this cognitive intuition is a neccesary function in gaining knowledge, but concerning a subject like 'God', it becomes over-asked I think. 'God', when there is 'God', or 'Brahman', or 'JHWH', etcetera, is at the very far end of our understanding. And there's a whole lot of universe inbetween.

Mark, in what you say I see Berkeley in that. I have read him a long time ago. So it's just a hunch.

Let me close with this Mark: God, is really something, everything, my whole life. But I don't know it you know. This is the absolute paradox, of humanity.

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Benedict Broere Brown Belt Status: Offline Posts: 194 Thanks Given: 0 Thanked 9x in 8 Posts Join Date: Apr 2006 Rep Power: 11	Re: What music is closest to TOE ?? - 05-25-2007, 12:58 PM Mark, Michael, Let me add this: I think we always have to be very cautious when using the word "God", because of all it's connotations coming out of it's huge history. Also the real mystics of all cultures end up using words like 'enigma' and 'mystery'. They sometimes speak a lot, while advancing, but ultimately they stop speaking, stop using words. 'God' seems to be something that is beyond thinking. Maybe this is what you mean Mark, in what you say. But I don't think it is possible to intuitively get any hold of this subject, for then use the word 'know'. We can intuitively make a leap forwards into a better idea concerning this universe and possible maybe it's TOE, it's 'central order' or 'pattern that connects' (Gregory Bateson). But then a whole lot of explaining and making plausible will have to follow: convincingly showing how it forms the key to the whole fabric of this universe, while speaking to people who are very sceptical and have all kinds of different points of view concerning this universe. I think, as I have expressed in this thread and others, 'thinking music', 'thinking universe as a form of symphony', 'a variation on a central theme', might be such an intuitive leap. For me it is without doubt that this cognitive intuition is a neccesary function in gaining knowledge, but concerning a subject like 'God', it becomes over-asked I think. 'God', when there is 'God', or 'Brahman', or 'JHWH', etcetera, is at the very far end of our understanding. And there's a whole lot of universe inbetween. Mark, in what you say I see Berkeley in that. I have read him a long time ago. So it's just a hunch. Let me close with this Mark: God, is really something, everything, my whole life. But I don't know it you know. This is the absolute paradox, of humanity.