[Bogie]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

You're coming the closest Bogie, to understanding what I'm talking about. I just happen to see it even a bit more simpler than your model. The EEP, I see as FPS{fundamental photonic substance},

Hi Lloyd, thanks for commenting about ideas and differences. Your FPS and my EEP seem to form the background within which matter exists, am I right. The difference if I am thinking straight is that my EEP background allows me to refer to the energy density of space. Does that phrase represent anything in your view?

… and the protons, electrons neutrons, etc., are formed in the big-crunch stage,

For comparisons between your idea and mine (I call mine the Infinite Spongy Universe cosmology btw), what does the big crunch form from? I mean what is it made up of on the input side? Is it the FPS from the decayed state after ...

after finite decay of our universe into the greater universe, and the greater universal thermodynamics, and possibly in conjunction with the past motions of other universal area matter/motion mechanics of gravity, force, etc.

Whoa. Do you define your terms somewhere? What is finite decay of our universe? I think you are saying that our universe, i.e. the matter anyway, will decay. How? And why into "fundamental photonic substance" instead of back into the sub-atomic particles from the crunch?

I like you hear you talk about and make a distinction between “our” universe and the greater universe and maybe that is the part that you say comes closest to your thinking; Am I right?

IMO, it takes a singularity{big-crunch} period to re-mass the decayed thinness of present finiteness, into the next cycle.

Now Lloyd, that is my biggest problem with BBT and the mainstream. I cannot abide a singularity. I even went so far as to predict that there will be a unifying particle (the EEP) discovered that explains away the singularity of BBT.

I don’t think of the big crunch as a singularity because I explain (an overview anyway) the physics of it in my blog entry about defeating entropy.

It's a cycling universe, not a cyclic universe.

I don’t want to assume that I understand the difference between the two but I am thinking that you see the crunch/bang much like I see the potentially infinite number of finite arenas at any given time across the greater universe? Are there multiple crunch/bangs here and there across the greater universe?

Your EEP, must actually be of a particle substance, or there's no existence to it at all,

I need to defend the EEP since no one else can, . The EEP is not a particle substance. It is the energy background of the greater universe. It consists of tiny discrete packets of energy that cannot be thought of as material particles. The “particle” reference means they are all exactly alike; they all exist independent from each other while in the background. The energy density of the background is the number of EEP divided by the volume of space. Energy density dictates whether a particular patch of space is going to expand, or the other option is that it isn’t going to expand because its energy density is already equalized with the energy density of the greater universe. The energy density of space never contracts. Only matter contracts when gravity pulls matter from the greater universe and attracts it into a crunch.

this is why I offer a fundamental substance, that never decays,

The EEPs are indestructible and have always existed.

... yet the finiteness we do observe, does decay to this very FPS, or some other such fundamental substance, but energy must always be recognized as its truer form of "substance

Are you saying that there is a background substance that occupies all space that you call FPS?

How does the matter (i.e. galaxies, black holes, dust of our expanding universe) “decay”? Does it decay into FPS? What is the difference between our expanding universe and the greater universe; is it that you would call it “our expanding universe” until the decay is complete, and then you would say that the decayed universe becomes part of the greater universe?

And for you Greg, any matter thinness state of fundamental matter after finite decay, to its true ground state, would certainly be subject to thermodynamic/hydrodynamic forces,

Have you defined what you mean by the terms “thermodynamic/hydrodynamic forces”?

… in both directions of contraction{big-crunch} and expansion{big-bang}.

And as Greg asked me earlier in the thread, what causes the contraction? I said "gravity".

And as a third corollary, mass is always required to be a self-centering action, just to exist___the mechanics of which, is too complex for this post.

If I understand, the FPS forms into a crunch and then sub-atomic particles form within the crunch, right? How does the crunch result in expansion? How does matter form from the expansion; are we talking about a primordial soup like in BBT and trillions of degrees of temperature, and Big Bang Nucleosynthesis, expansion and cooling, photon decoupling, and CMBR generation before the first stars form like in BBT?

p.s.
Good job explaining your view of the universal mechanics, Bogie... Thanks...

Thank you!