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AKA: Merab Urushadze Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 250
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06-04-2007, 10:43 AM
| | Re: Gravity and space Hello, Tony! ---Quote--- The first I?d like to say is that the whole _universe_ exists within time, i.e. _it_ can?t be imagined without it. As for space it isn?t homogenous ?vacuum? within which all action (I mean all kinds of motions of solid and expended matter [of planets and suns] takes place), just opposite, I think that just space is the reason, the locomotive force that determines all kind of motion within universe ---End Quote--- Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Stanton I do not agree that the whole Universe exists within time. Time is a consequence of the existence of matter where space itself is being generated by volume. The rate at which matter generates space is what we experience as the flow or arrow of time. You cannot have motion without space but I do agree that space is not homogenous as such because for objects with a large mass the spacetime field it generates is retarded causing a warp of space which we experience as gravity. This is easily modelled using simple geometry without the need to use Newton’s gravitational constant. | According to me space and time and matter don’t exist without each-other: your expression – “matter generates space” we can exchange for the expression “space generates matter”, or rather “matter and space generate each-other” and I think it also is right as matter and space are two consisting opposite phenomena of whole, two sides of medal, two opposite processes happening inside time, at least I think so… ---Quote--- I will try to analyze briefly and roughly space without explanation of mechanisms: Each solid body has its own space around it. This space I call figuratively *space exp.bubble* and it presents *expansion* by its nature. The central point of *expansion* (i.e. the center of it) and the center of solid body coincide. This *expansion* happens, lasts during the time permanently ---End Quote--- Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Stanton This is very close to how True Relativity sees space. Each object has its own spacetime bubble surrounding it but in the case of TR space is constantly flowing by volume from matter. If the Universe is only about 13.75 billion years in age then the spacetime bubble will have a radius of about 1500AU so gravity is not a force that works over an infinite distance. Only objects inside the spacetime field will feel its gravity which gives a natural explanation for the almost fixed rotation of stars inside galaxies and the appearance of galaxy clusters without the need to include dark matter. Although the distances between stars are far greater than 1500AU space has billions of particles of matter and larger objects all generating their own spacetime fields which means space is like a thick soup of fields where each bubble is linked to the next bubble. It is a bit like bubbles in the middle of a washing up bowl, when they rotate they will rotate almost as one. | When I say that expansion happens, lasts within time, I don’t mean that it expends permanently, i.e. its volume is increasing permanently, but I mean that it exists within time with relatively stable volume (i.e. having of some volume for space isn’t rigid event but it’s a process), i.e. space around some solid heavenly body (which has relatively stable mass) has relatively stable volume (i.e. the main criterion of space of solid bodies is radius-distance and this radius is directly proportional to mass of heavenly body, so it’s relatively permanent for given example of heavenly body) ---Quote--- *Space exp.bubble* makes solid matter to concentrate to its center (to the center of this *space exp.bubble*), but attracts solid matter placed outside its bounds, i.e. outside of bounds of *space exp.bubble*, i.e. central part of *space exp.bubble* is for solid matter, but its periphery (inside part of boundary) ? for expanded matter. ---End Quote--- Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Stanton Your explanation looses me a little here. First of all where is your space exp.bubble coming from? | As for where is my space exp.bubble coming from? There had been nothing before arising of the world and it was homogeneous, uniform. The best way to imagine homogeneity, uniformity of the universe is to figure it as an empty three-dimensional space without even single material point in it. But it's impossible in effect and is possible only in imagination. The gravitation itself is always associated with body, which itself is associated with consolidation, or "thickening of substance". Arising of gravitation-that's the changing of homogeneity in direction of thickening; Just told above process of thickening centripetally is bearer of exactly that quality of homogeneity, a loss, or rather a lack of which afterwards presents a cause of arising of anti-thickening-anti-consolidation centrifugally, and that's three-dimensional space=a lack of gravitation=a lack of gravity, and is called and felt by us as an "empty space". So, space exp.bubble is organic part of body and they have common center… ---Quote--- Also *Space exp.bubble* of solid matter (i.e. *expansion*) repulses the same kind of *space* *bubble*, which is neighboring it (e.g. spaces of the Earth and the Moon repulse each other and serve as a barrier between these solid heavenly bodies against falling of each on another, and the space of each attracts solid matter of another) ---End Quote--- Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Stanton I am sorry but I can’t see how that would work. Gravity is a distortion of spacetime which causes objects to follow the geodesic. This makes gravity an attractive force, albeit a weak one. Here you seem to be saying that space is acting as a repulsive force. So far I cannot see the logic in this so can you explain it better? | You know I’m not eager to convince anybody, but I don’t believe that gravity is an attractive force, specific for solid matter, i.e. I don’t believe that solid matter is attracted by solid matter. All solid matters have their own spaces around them; in case of solid heavenly bodies space spreads almost spherically from the center of heavenly body radially up to some distance (up to some boundary), i.e. space is directed from the center of planet to all sides radially. The solid matter which is found inside of this boundary is forced by space to strive to the center. The same space of solid heavenly body, let’s say of the Earth attracts the matter placed outside of this boundary (i. e. attracts the matter of the Moon, as well as the space of the Moon attracts solid matter of the Earth). Both spaces of adjacent solid heavenly bodies serve as the barrier against getting closer of these solid heavenly bodies (in case of getting of these planets closer spaces of both solids will repulse each-other and repulsive force will increase directly proportionally to lessening of distance between bodies) All small solid bodies placed within the space of heavenly body have common space, i.e. if any small body gets into the space of heavenly body, its space is summed up with the space of heavenly body peripherally and this small body will try to take up its place centrally, i.e. will strive centrally, but that doesn’t mean that it’s attracted by heavenly body (or by its center) I analyze this mechanism in thread “dark side of the Moon” on the examples of two elementary particles - prompting causes of spinning at starting stage. Expansion (i.e. distance of space of heavenly body) is relatively permanent, but that doesn’t mean that its volume increases, i.e. expansion is force by its nature, i.e. only it’s responsible for attraction of bodies from outside of its boundary and for pressing of all solid matter inside it from all sides to the center
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