[RascalPuff]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Last I checked Dip, the laws of physics require it to have always been. The argument is over, how exactly did it turn from its most fundamental state, to the state of the big-bang forward...? Where and how do fundamental waves of matter form larger bits of matter? I say the existing universe, the one we empirically physically know, shows no evidence of absolute fundamental wave substance evolving to real physical bits +, therefore; IMO, the fundamental matter waves had to form into solid physical bits[and larger] of matter, in the first finite singularity/star/black-hole___however you want it... The only point I'm trying to make is that; all viable visible matter, had to form into said state, from wave matter___Before, and at, the Big-Bang, and on...

There's no visible evidence___otherwise, or to the contrary... No wave matter forms into real matter bits, within our visible finite universe... If anyone says they do___where...?

Lloyd

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I'm with you on the issue of 'the origin' of the material universal material, Lloyd. The laws of physics - until further notice - determine that matter has always been.

Regards,
- RP