[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by MJA

Dear Greg,

Thanks for you interest in me and my profile, I'll try to answer your query.

I am simply the true searcher who asked the question: is nature measurable?
I am certain I have found the truth of that question, the truth of nature, and the truth of measure.

Dear MJA. perhaps I got out of bed on the wrong side this morning, I apologise for my rather harsh post.

Originally Posted by MJA

You state: "Obviously colour is not self-evident," and " it needs to be experienced which can only be done by phenomena."

You said that truth is self evident. In the context of the post, colour can be determined by Phenomena, that is, by each person visibly seeing it. Therefore, from our Noumena alone we cannot visualise it if we have never seen it before.

Originally Posted by MJA

If oneself does not experience the evidence or phenomena of color, does color not exist?
If it does exist, then is your statement still correct?

It is an absolute truth that colour does not exist. It is simply reflected electromagnetic waves of radiation that hit our body at the speed of light. Strong infra-red will cause sun burn, other frequencies will cause other destruction.

We have evolved to handle that amount we receive in general.

Our eyes are dumb photo-electric cells, with no perception, no depth distinguishing ability, no more than any camera.

The perception, the depth, the colours, the interpretation is ALL processed inside our brain. The information is not contained in the light our eyes receive. That data is processed along with the vast data bank of everything we have seen previously and compared assimilated and passed to the decision making part of our brain. The Phenoma combines with the Noumena. At least thats how I see it if you will excuse the pun

We live in a Universe that is pitch black, like any worm in the ground.

As what we interpret as colour are radio waves picked up by the antenna of our eyes you can readily appreciate that our Noumena can never receive such signals, only our eyes can receive the Phenomena, the radio waves.

We may all interpret this differently, as you point out, but we all agree that we, those who can see, are seeing the same reflection, or radio waves.

Blind people from birth can only experience colour non-visually, that is, audibly explained by others. They have only their noumena to interpret it, they will never have the Phenomena of experiencing it.

Originally Posted by MJA

Without falacy, arguement or debate, and only a question to help me understand your view of reality or truth, my revised question is in your own words:

If it does not exist for the lack of experience of oneself, what about nature, what about everyone else?

The Cosmos is still a violent, physical place, it only is visible in colour to those of us species on earth who have advanced passed 64 gray scale. Lots of species have not.

SuperNovas do not occur in colour, nor do fireworks. They only give off radio waves. The colour is 'added' inside our brain. As I have said, the whole Universe is pitch black, full of radiation, unseen, unless you have evolved sensors to detect the frequencies that you rely on for decision making in order to survive.

Originally Posted by MJA

ps: I don't think real or true alpha male men call others names, or play games when it come to the search for truth, do you Greg?

I apoligise for the above remark ..

I hope this has helped to atone for my earlier post, as well as provided some insight into how I 'see' the cosmos ..

cool bananas MJA ... greg