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Originally Posted by AntonioLao  I still cannot understand which come first the chicken or the egg? Relevant question is which come first the quarks or the photons assuming they are both dark? |
You know Antonio, I resolved that question years ago, then forgot it, and finally recovered the information after joining this site and the "Space and Motion" site. The trouble with the space and motion site was Geoff's insistence on not allowing any standard model physics, and I saw the answer as both particle and waves. By resolving, I mean that a fundamental substance has to exist first, for the laws of conservation to be practical, and all the sensible laws of physics must fit any final picture. If it's a conservation of matter and energy universe, then a fundamental substance is required to exist, as energy from no source is impossible___That's just far too metaphysical, for my science thinking. Yes, through the years, I drifted from one prospect to the other, but in the end, physical substance won out. Therefore, the only way to figure out the chicken and the egg, is to know energy must come from a "first matter in motion substance..." I see no other way... As to quarks or photons, my gut tells me the photons, being absolutely scalable, by necessity of one fundamental substance being scalable, would have to exist first, and also as quarks seem to be more complex, thus needing to be made of a more fundamental substance. It's just to counter-intuitive for most to see the particle energy, as a dual function particle energy, existing on both sides of the main universal event... I have no problem theoretically visualizing such a model... Of course, there's also the Higgs Boson, that the Hadron will be looking for, but IMO, the dark photon will still be the fundamental substance of any such boson... I may be wrong, but an absolutely scalable photon works awfully well to fill all the models' bills...
Lloyd