| Re: What does probability say to you? -
10-21-2007, 04:56 PM
Hello Greg:
Before I post let me say that I am very glad you and Austin are here.
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I have a feeling that we may need 3 categories eventually as the genetic data is an extreme basic. The research that is to follow the human genome project is looking at a new part of the language that they have identified as the data that acts as a control switch to turn the genes on and off. They also have discovered that this data is variable within a single lifetime or even shorter. It may be approaching what we call long term (Meta data) information. They have some interesting work that is going on that indicates huge alterations in a single generation in mice. Maybe we might consider (Base-A-Data)=genetic, (Base-B-Data)=must look up the term they used, And (Meta-Data). I forgot the term for this controller of the switching. It seems my own short term memory needs some reinforcement.
Relative to the complex regeneration process being cataloged as Meta Data I will agree if it is considered to be a Long term Meta that is also as a Base-B so it becomes inherent information for the next generation.
I will agree but we must consider the 3 separate categories so that the process itself becomes inherent. It starts as Meta Data becomes Base-B so that it also becomes inherent. This new information about the 3 layers of memory might be all we needed to begin to see some sense in this. This idea of 3 layers has my ideas flying about right now. Thinking of the uses of this in my own experiments that have been up till now only 2. My own research that is effected is at RoseandClem.com.
R-obot O-perating S-ystem E-xecutive and C-ommunication LE-arning M-achine.
I dropped the thought of Genetics as a language for the time being to simplify. We might just stick to the one topic at a time.
About the how and why questions. I agree that the question how is a question that is put to science while the question why is put to the will or a quest for a motivation factor, Divine or otherwise.
The only problem that I have with your thoughts about a random process that manages to maintain a VERY SPECIFIC DIRECTION = CONTINUE = A CONSTANT, with out the verification that this constant is there at the basis.
I felt exactly the same when I read the academic response to the thought that the probabilities of data happening at random was of itself an indication of the existence of some director of the data to create these seemingly impossible results.
But I also saw that these were capital driven institutions that could not maintain that there is a God. They would then be required to say that they knew nothing at all about what might be the most important discovery of mankind. I do not think they would still be in existence if they had been honest. About this situation. If you think that this is a single example of a point that might be specific to a capital driven system you might also look at the point that I began my studies. The Dilemma of Free will in the Theory of Determinism. This is another point that the capital institutions scampered away from the divine path like scared rabbits. They were more ready to accept Marx even if it cost them the idea of the most valued commodity in the USA, there FREEDOM. They were more willing to give up there freedom than to touch on the divine path, that frightens them like rabbits from my cats. There is NOTHING in the capital academic systems more frightening than the thought of accepting the idea of the divine. So I guess I will continue to see this as an inherent conflict of interest from the capital education system.
Do you remember what happened when we found the cure for polio? What did the capital medical system learn by this. They learned “do not ever cure anything it will upset the marketplace.”
Your capital driven education may be flawed by conflict of interest. This I think may or may not put us at an impasse. I hope that it does not. For I find no conflict between any that have been educated in this manner. I just feel that I must be free to dismiss the part of your system that I see as flawed. I am afraid that this is one that I can not accept. I do believe that intelligent data creates more data. I do not believe that from the beginning that a clump of nothing can or will become the beginning of a sustaining process.
I firmly believe that this is a CAPITAL COP OUT. I might accept that a more realistic odds reduction could take place if we could find a very simple example of regeneration requiring a very small data packet. This I might accept. But Do not expect me to believe what was nothing more than a capital cop out by the existing education system. When I refused this same on the nightline blog sight the blog itself was gone within 2 weeks. No matter how big the beast if you know where it is most sensitive you can make it dance.
Maybe this is the reason that there has always been a conflict between many of the religions and the concept of wealth.
What would happen if the word came out that MIT found and verifies evidence confirming the existence of the divine force? What might happen in the stock market or in our government or in a multitude of places. You and I know, no matter how compelling the information this can not and will not ever happen under capitalism. So we can debate until we are blue in the face, no matter what we find, The more compelling it is, The less attention it will get. People are just not ready to go there. They are attracted to information until it scares them one time then they are gone, never to be seen again. I have been told many times that some of my thoughts frighten people. My own wife, sister, 2 out of 3 of my own children and 90% of the people that I know absolutely refuse to talk about it. My wife was present when my experience took place in 1970, She absolutely refuses to talk about the experience. My visit to 2 different hospitals, they claim to have no record of my visit. My sister was there she will at least verify that I did in fact go to the hospitals on that day. But will not talk about why. I have seen first hand how they run. Just like the 3 blind mice.
I have very few friends that will talk about this. I hope that you and some of the people here on the TOEQUEST remain as friends that will talk about this. I have been dealing with what I know for 37 years this year. I consider myself to be a thousand fold stronger because of carrying this on my back alone for so long. I am less tired now than I was 7 years ago when I began talking about this on the internet. Maybe I am getting stronger for a reason. I was also told that there are more like me. Though I have never been able to find them. Forgive me for carrying on so. But I have been at this point in so many conversations that always seem to end here. I hope that this one will not.
John. |