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Hi Benedict,

I read about emergence and I lean toward the epistemological, only because something has to come of the influence of the parts of the emergent new complexity—and I can't claim ontological if I don't know everything involved (since perhaps someday we will). But, any which way, higher complexity does bring about new and unpredictable features.

Although explainable perhaps by Hydrogen atom movement, who would have thought that H gas and O gas could make the slippery liquid of H2O? Wetness emerges.

I started a thread that, very generally, tries to decompose complex being into the simppicity of elementary matter in motion. I got the idea from Fredrick's pyramind of Matter opposing Space (although one may be a less/more dense version of the other) and Past transitioning from the Now and the Future. It can also be expressed as What going Where from Then to When.

Going one step lower shows Movement (time) of Appearances (Space/Matter)—or Matter in Motion through Space.

Going higher generates concepts such as Wishes (Where-When), Remembrance (Where-Then), Progression (What-When), and History (What-Then), and more, but it certainly needs a lot of emergence to happen in between my giant steps.

See:
http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...g-reality.html