Fredrick and ProfPat, there's a considerable difference between faith forced beliefs of religions, and science/math's facts. Faith/belief/religions are fundamentally based in imagination; and science is based in the fundamental facts of the logic, matter and motions, of real testable evidentiary substances. So, in the final analysis, science is never imagination based, although imagination plays a significant role in science's theories, science's facts of reality and logic, are the historical facts, accumulated over centuries. Whereas, faith forced imaginary beliefs, are nothing more than the lies and self-seductions of one's own ego... Of course, the faithists will scream to the rooftops, over such findings, but the fact remains that all faiths are forced, or self-seduced, onto humanity, from the earliest of childhood's experiences...
The whole trick is in understanding the differences between faith/belief and logic... Faith/belief is just linguistic trickery... Logic is linguistic fact... Logic requires no faith or belief___It's visually and linguistically, empirically, obviously, scientifically/mathematically true; whereas, faith/belief is usually the trickery linguistics of a conjured lie, through the ego's self-seductions...
Just as an outlandish example: The world has three choices___1.Let Islamic radicals get and use nuclear bombs, to blow us off the face of the earth, and do nothing to prevent it...? 2.Blow the Islamic radicals off the face of the earth, with nukes, first...? 3.Outlaw all the religions, world-wide, and enforce such laws, globally, to enforce ethically-lawed peace, for the greater good, of the entire planet...? What's your choice...? Because, this is where we're all most likely headed, sad to say...
But the faithists want to keep their ignorant lies on a mic, while keeping scientific knowledge/wisdom, and well proven ethics, in a coma...
I think it's time for legal constitutional change, to eliminate religion's evil social contract sways, over the sound scientific reasoning social contract, and go to better scientifically, ethical, legal systems for all... Don't you___really...?
Regards,
Lloyd
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Originally Posted by Fredrick  Hi ProfPat,
It looks like we are caught in some kind of funny three-thread-whirl. The point being I've called Lloyd religious in his scientific standing, probably a few times too often. He does not like that and has now pushed it back to me, and that is kind of a first (and that is what is amusing). But thank you for your support on that perspective and for revealing the origin of the word; I fully agree. |