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Originally Posted by Bob Campbell I think that your comment implying that electron and proton are made of the same thing but just constructed differently is very relevant. Particles are all forms of energy that are structured in strict accordance with how the cosmic order works. We can not know the "substance" of the universe directly as an isolated "thing" or object because we are part of how that "thing" works, but we can know its structural manifestations in phenomenal experience. We can know light energy for example, and in a sense every physical thing is a structural manifestation of EM energy. That is really all we can know through ordinary sense perceptions and empirical data, but that is enough to have a coherently holistic understanding.

Hi Bob;
For the most part I agree with you, however I would not call the substance of the universe “energy”; it tends to confuse the issue of entity and dimension. Energy is a term of measured quantity and thus a dimension; it is not a different entity!

To describe who or what you are (know you) you would use attributes that define you. To know the fundamental substance we use the attributes of that substance to define it. There are many terms that define the attributes of the substance in specific states or forms; the problem is that these terms are not referenced to a fundamental set of absolute terms. Until we know the fundamental set of absolutes we can only define the phenomena of nature in abstract relative terminology. My concept in my Toronic blog is an attempt to show that all our science terminology and measurements can be reduced to the simplest understanding of substance and its properties other than spatial dimension, of self-bonding and absolute motion.