Noumenon and phenomenon? This and That? This is within That? anyway?
First the world of spirit or the formless abstract world of subjective consciousness is not recognised in a scientific sense. It is recognised innately by those of mystic temperament, and by those who are able to study the subjective history of men and races [i.e. Joesph Campbell], but science recognises not this aspect of manifestation, nor do scientific men, as a whole, believe in the world of super-physical endeavor. All that in the earlier races held paramount place in the lives and thoughts of the people is now approached skeptically, and discussions are preceeded with a question mark. But progress has been made and much has arisen out of the war. The question, for instance, is rapidly changing from the formula "is there life ater death?" to the enquiry "Of what nature is the future life?" and this is a portent of much encouragement.
I don't need science's holy word to know what I have first hand expereinced, pertaining to the soul and/or astral body. Science simply hasn't progressed far enough along in that endeavor and when it does, decide to put in the effort, and finally verifies it for you last hold-outs and those whom you influence [with this obstinance] , it will have egg on its face and so will you.
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Originally Posted by rybot 
DRI) You' are observing from the perspective of your lower nature as a biological entity only. You are much more than that, did ye but know it.
Or so you believe, and believe that "ye" know. It appears to me that your higher soul is likened to physicist whose Standard Model call for a Higgs boson field and particle that gives all mass to all matter, yet there is as of yet, no evidence of such a Higgs( God particle ) boson.
DRI0 Keep it simple, the soul has a dual nature.
I believe I have responded to that once before. That dualit is metaphysical and physcial as it is with all words, 'things' etc...
DRI) The soul has a dual nature. When it is assosciated with matter [ensouled and mortal] it is mired in its descent into its lower nature or aspect and knows life and death, when it is beholding of the spirit in its ascention it is one with the beloved and knows immortality no death, that what has never known birth can never know death. Lofty? Unbound? Free? Your guess is as good as mine.
Again your scenario reminds me of the above mentioned Higgs Ocean/Field. If you are familiar with it then you *may* see the similarity between the two scenarios.
""Drifter, I agree that "soul" has dual aspects/nature, in that, similar to "spirit" and all words and/or assigned 'things' there is always the eternal dualistic and complementary metaphysical( energeyless ) and physical( energetic )""
DI) Man is energised by the soul, it is the creative spark that animates the mind/body organism, at death it withdraws from matter.
Here again your scenario is very much likened to Higgs. No evidence of either.
""Drifter, I believe "higher nature" and "enlightenment" are states of consciousness, that we can for time, however brief that may be, time and time again in a lifetime of human.""
DRI) So is our lower nature a state of 'relative' consciousness, relative to what, relative to the 'things' in that field. [the concept of 'original sin' was the initial 'idea of seperation', from the whole, that we are not born with as infants but 'acquire', culturally and conditionally.]
Yes drifter, consciousness is based on the experiential ergo relativity, yet we biological/soul has access to metaphysicla mind. This again is the trinity/triune.
""It is metaphysical spirit, that searches out such states of consciousness, and labels that search and the resultant actions thereof, as 'spirituality'.""
DRI) The etheric[noumenon] side of the ephemeral[phenomenon] duality, seeks its source. aka "spirituality'. [Google "Etheric Double"]
Beyond my comprehensive abilities. Sorry.
""The most generalized and complex triune/trinuty is that of:
1) metaphysical beyond and its subcatagories
2) spirit and soul combination as a biological, and at its most complex, as human complex and its most complex --barring the whole "U"niverse complex-- interaction between the metaphysical and physical
3) physical matter as fermions and bosons and any accumulating aggregates thereof.""
DRI) Soul [ego/formless/mind] and body [form] body, mind, soul.
Gross, subtle, and causal.
Physical, emotional, mental, states realms, kingdoms, planes of being.
Soul = biological( emotions, chemicals, hormones, feelings, EMRadiation, consciousness and most complex occurrs with nervous system.
There is no mystery left to be understood iin this way Drifter. This is very simple/plain. Your higher soul idea are yet to be clearly indentified and/or observed.
Rybo |