[futrethink]

Tina.

In life we classify things broadly based on ideas of good and bad...so Evil is usually used to describe an extreme degree of 'bad'.

---Okay. Is it only we humans that group/regard things in the groups that we call ‘good’ and ‘bad’ or can animals do/feel the same thing even without the words to describe such things??
---Now, let’s go back to the idea of an adult killing a child in front of its mother. Why is it a bad or an evil thing that is happening? Keep it at its most basic level, since we are talking about root causes.
---I want you to also tell me why the adult is considered being a ‘bad/evil’ individual? Again, keep it at its most basic level.

The human has escaped animal reality because I see our once animal instinct has split/mutated into the two seperate conditions of Emotion and Intellect.

---Spirit and mind. True. What about the body? To think that animal instinct is only a mental state and to exclude the physical state, is to limit your thinking about the entirety of what ‘instinct’ actually is. Is the flight-or-flight instinct and the state of the body, something that arises from the Emotion or Intellect, hmm?

The seal met with its death - why do you ask me to make a value/moral judgement on his fate.

---I’m not asking you to do that. What I am asking you to do is put yourself in that creature’s place, in those moments from when it first perceives the orcas to its last moment of living animal type thought and then tell me if you think that those orcas could be something regarded as evil, in that situation from the seal’s point of view?

I understand your sensitivity for animals.

---I’m not that limited in my thinking and my caring for others. I think and care about individuals. The only limits to what I consider an individual are things you might not understand.

humans kill for other reasons which have nothing to do with survival.

---Hmm. You are too general in your description of survival. Which aspect of surviving are you talking about: killing for the survival of the species or the individual, for the better survival of a society, the survival of a person’s choice about how they live their life, the survival of a mother whose unborn child might kill her or the survival of the child, the survival of how a person eats, for the survival of a person’s emotional happiness, for the survival of a person’s finances that allows them to live a life, etc?
---To believe and/or state that humans kill only for reasons that don’t involve survival or animal instinct, well, nevermind.

We need wisdom to really determine the truth/reality of things. Ideas of Good and Bad do not equal Wisdom.

---What you are describing in those sentences is not wisdom, but knowledge. How you use that knowledge, whether for yourself or for others can only be called wisdom after you find out if it works out for the best after time passes.

Animals have instinctive wisdom about their reality - we have much rubbish.

---We have the same instinctive wisdom. If a human chooses to not use it or sift through the ‘rubbish’, as you call it, whose fault is it?

---If you take the concept of ‘choice’ and break it down into its most basic components, as to how it occurs, tell me how different we are from any other individual? I bring this up, because evil/good arise from choices that arise from interaction that come from choices that come from interaction and so on. It is something that you might be forgetting to include in your understanding of what I am trying to show you.