[quanta07]

I see there is a persistent philosophical trend to include the working of the human mind with a search for a TOE. As long as this trend is present, mixing the illusion of consiouness with the reality of the behavior of nature, the advancement of science and analysis of our environment stops.

In this forum, this practice serves to only cast doubt into a quest for the understanding of nature, with deliberate innuendoes toward validity of human thought.

Consciousness gives us the tools of analysis, thought and reason. Tools needed to analyze our environment, scientifically. You stress that consiousness is prime? Prime for being alive, prime for providing us logic and reason. It appears that you then use these tools (logic/reason) to analyze where these tools come from (consciousness).

A fallacy in logic This is a pure philosophical argument that has persisted for ages. Casting dispersions and doubt into the proven scientific process.

Suppose you hire a carpenter to build your kitchen cabinets. Arriving at your home, instead of analysis of procedures required to construct your cabinets, the carpenter sits down and stares at his tools, pondering their origin.

Foolish as this sounds, this is what happens when a philosopher meets a scientist.

Mixing philosophical views with science is wrong. It hinders and at times halts all progress toward undestanding nature.

One must either pursue a quest in philosophy or pursue a quest in science.
Mixing these quests results in a ‘cat chasing its tail’ syndrome, chicken or the egg. Result…NO Progress.

A choice must be made at this fork in the road. Philosophy or Science.
I choose the exterior road to real scientific understand using the tools of reason and logic.
With reason and logic the understanding of mathematics and physics.
Pondering where the tools came from is a philosophical path (vagueness)
Using the tools to gain knowledge is a scientific path (clarity)

Talk about the tools…or use the tools
Question the process of consciousness OR use process of consciousness
Philosophers question the questions…Scientists question the answers.
And nary the twain shall meet………Q7