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02-19-2008, 10:16 AM
Re: What Is A ToeQuest? Some Fragments...

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Does minds really have a scientific validity? It is more of some particular group of neurons firing in Unison that creates thought and reasoning.
Sorry about the lengthy reply Dip,
just make of this, how ever it appeals to you, with a pinch of salt

Does minds have a scientific validity?
not quite sure what is implied here but i'll say....
No because no-thing needs proof, the proof is self evident in
THIS appearing self- evident-ness .. which is it's only testimony
It is SEEN the one that sees .. is not separate from that which is seen.

As for science and philosophy these words are concepts
and have no meaning except as conceived.

The world appears through our senses on demand.

Thoughts are triggered by sensory data on demand causing 'us' to re- act to the data eg: movement.


A baby is conscious and aware, but it's mind has not kicked in yet
so it can have no identity .. the mind is the tool that creates
the illusion of a separate person, 'thoughts' creating an ID'entity'
before the mind .. there is no separation,
no awareness of a 'me' or world, only sensed and known instantly,
consciousness aware of [awareness presence] or [beingness]
the mind develops as more and more data is stored conceptual overlay,
causing the illusion of a 'me' a story is un-folding via memory/mind re-call
it is the mind that does this, thoughts turn into 'things'
and this only ever manifests in the immediate now moment.
Time being an illusion.

Consciousness arises in AWARENESS
via sensation sensing
giving rise to an apparent 'me' [phantom]
Consciousness born of sensation sensed.
Appearing in still silent AWARENESS


'We' apparently evolve via the mind this is the tool for growth,
although no-thing ever evolves it only appears to.
In this Conception.

These three aspects ...Awareness-Consciousness- Mind
Mutually arise together in concord with this ....
arising immediateness appearing and disappearing
happening and appearing through the mind body organism.
Creating a world .. a projection of itself.
In this eternal NOW.

Never moving
Never changing
only appearing to
'apparently'
All things appear in consciousness, mind re-cognizes data, and instantaneously
turns them to image ''things'
those 'things' are not separate from that which is imaging them.

So in theory there are no-things except as conceived.

Consciousness is how the mind body organism becomes aware of itself
The SELF aware of itself through consciousness

The MIND within the body organism is the TOOL for thought and reasoning not consciousness
The MIND is an aspect of consciousness,
consciousness is being AWARE of something ... ' i'm conscious of my being'
being conscious of something arises in awareness.
When in deep sleep there is no consciousness but there is awareness.
When we dream at night the dreams appear in our semi- consciousness
not in awareness .. when we slip into deep sleep [pure awareness]
there are no dreams .. for there is no-thing in awareness,
only in consciousness,does the world and things appear.


If we deduce matter down to subatomic / quark level it is no-'thing' .. but empty space
static and motionless.....[conceived data] how this is ? there is no-one to know.[mystery un-known] yet known. [one with the knowing]

The mind/thoughts causes movement/vibration/wave on demand within the stillness.

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