[Sapius]

Graham:

very interesting reading sir

I’m glad that Michael and yourself appreciate my contribution.

this causing in some case instinctive response like the seeing of the tiger "Fight or Flight" learned rote ... to its purpose of survival and the instinctive factor being based on this is similar to the bases of wave form on the molecular levels but not the same i do not know or i read you out of context ...

No, I think you read me correctly, but for some subtle points that I will elaborate on.

but then we come to the full separate concept of consciousness ... the ability to comprehend the awareness in such intricate way of sentient being so well described in sociology and anthropology that we feel it is separate but in reality it must in its dependence on what we are sensing be a part of the Whole ...

With all due respects to Michael; the “whole” does not cannot be applied to Totally, except through the fulfilling of an emotional void, but cannot logically be a “whole”, because of its infinite nature. Who knows, there could possibly be infinite numbers of big bangs other than our bubble of a big bang. Is there any scientific theory that says that that is not possible? I don’t know.

Being a Scientist, I think it will be easier for you to comprehend when I say that every sensed quantum particle has to necessarily be “aware” of its environment before it detects a “sensation” and reacts accordingly. Now, it is not that it will react exactly in the same given different conditions, so that tells me that it has the potential to react differently given different conditions, and “senses” its environment before it reacts, hence is also an ‘observer’ just as anything else. However, the “choices” it has may be very limited due its dimensionally limited structure and complexity, and may be quite helpless to exercise it’s potential unless triggered by certain causal conditions.

Now, what are we but a bunch of particles and elector-chemical signals, and I have reason to believe that this primitive and inherent “awareness” is what manifests as ‘consciousness’ of various degrees in different things depending on its complexity, say from an amoeba to us.

But in us, it has much a higher potential of variables open to it, including logical self-awareness, through abstract thinking, and intellectual creativity that can even manipulate its environment in its favor, ‘physically’! It is no more a thing that simply reacts to its environment in limited manner, but is capable of ‘internal’ abstract though process which evolution has obviously favored, and can now survive extreme cold and heat, by creating climate controlled shopping malls!

I cannot really lay down the big picture I see in a few posts, and each piece of a jigsaw puzzle holds different valuable information, where Science, Mathematics, Philosophy, Psychology, Physiology, and all subjects are but a jigsaw piece of a big picture that needs to be understood.

the organization skills of a sentient being allows for the reaction to be controlled and even give no necessitated reaction leading me to believe stimulus and response is not the way to go in understanding conscious will being applied to awareness ... at least in any one saying it is all such ... we are molding and as such are seemingly masters of the universe persona ...

Humm….