[Profpat]

Hi Whys;

Now you are confusing me, which is easy to do.

I have no idea what you mean by this:
The sound of one hand clapping is not clap-clap. It is the sound of realization that the mind can create ideas that have no intrinsic relevance or rational expression. This does not make them any less true. Just absurd.
If you ake your four fingers on your hand and bring them down on the same hand you'll hear CLAP. The sound of one hand clapping.
BTW the sound of one lip whistling is a whistling sound.

I'm not sure why you think I believe a definition exist independently from the element. What in my post made you assume that. Remember when you assume you make an ass out of you and me ASS U ME.

I agree with you that we can't know anything for certain, in that there is no cetainity in our universe.
I think probability theory is correct and therefore the best we can hope for are approximations.

Reality may be infinite but then again maybe not.

Best,

Pat