[PoPpAScience]

Originally Posted by analog Allen, Please take this constructively, as that is how it's intended, because I think it might help you on your journey. I, too, used to view life formations as something spectacular, but I don't feel it got me very far in my quest to truly understand. I was trying to make the sun go around the Earth again. For some reason we must feel that we are at the center of not only our universe, but all of creation. I don't feel that the universe was created to sustain life, I feel that life is an effect to help sustain an eternal universe. Our bodies and our interactions are merely part of the mechanism, and I don't feel that a true understanding of our universal system will be obtained until we can allow for ourselves to become an equally important part of the system, not just the reason for it. All things within an eternal framework are equally important and work to maintain it as a whole. If any one was more important than the other, would it not be finite? Now that I've found my place in the world, and realise it's not at the center, I can enjoy a much better understanding of a planet going around a sun.

Hi Tim;

I have an answer to your vortex question, but it is still not settled into my minds eye. I have just become a student of the dynamics of the vortex, and thus have not reduced the technical aspects of its wording to simpler expressive words. This is how I try to express myself, into the simplest of simplistic words. On a later date I will express an answer to you Tim.

Now I would like to reply to your last post. I like to clear one thing up. I do not believe that life is the reason that our universe came into being. I believe that life is the logical outcome of a universe constantly seeking to be more then it was before. I see life as this universe reaching within itself to be more aware of its nature, its potentiality. I see you, I, and other life forms, as this universe experiencing itself. I do not see this universe as thinking what to do next, but having the inherent ability to do more, be more. I see the universe as a conceived entity that is evolving(growing), to be far more then it is today.

I do feel that we are, as you state "an equally important part of the system". We are at the centre right now of the evaluational process. The universe is experiencing in new and wonderful ways, ways that it could not do before life evolved. We effect the core of this universe, because we are the core of this universe, in manifestation form.

I am dealing in a area of discovery, that I personally can not find any other human on earth doing, and believe me I have looked hard for another. I have to deal with the fact, that because of the oppressive nature of main stream science upon its peers, to not wander outside of the language of its core beliefs, that I have to wander alone. I see this fear all the time amongst very intelligent people. I understand how this fear of being disrespected among their peers can put restrictive road blocks deep in their minds, that they are not aware of.

I also have to deal with the fact that those who come from the spiritual side of discovery, latch onto one belief system or another, and thus also become satisfied with their new found spiritualness and venture no further. They see the universe as created by God, and are content. Others see the universe as a universal mind that moves life to a rhythm of loveliness and peace, and become content. Well I have been through all those aspects of both paths of discovery, and chose to not be content. I decided instead push the envelope of thinking, to come to a new understanding of the way things are. I hope that there is others, to join me on quest.

I thank you Tim for entering my thread and conversing with me , it is much appreciated.