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Yes, good point that we’re here—and so potential had to be there make us possible, and, I might add, we would have to be in such a place. (note that we’ve dispensed with the notion of some or one right fundamental thing having been around forever that worked perfectly for no apparent reason. And that a perfect absolute nothing without potential would stay as such.)

Were there other places that became from some spewed inert stuff that had no potential? Does the timeless-formless ‘try’ everything in no time and in all forms? (Brute force)

Was the ‘incredible luck’ that led our universe via the basic stuff to space to gravity to stars to atoms to molecules to cells to life to brains to experiences to consciousness really remarkable, or not so, given that it had to be stumbled upon eventually, given all of time?

It impossible for us, even with computer and math, to solve the three-body problem, so it’s difficult to propose an underlying fundament awareness that could foresee all, especially at the earliest simplest point, for we don’t wish for any composite, non-fundamental systems at that earliest point. Thus, your 0-dimensional simple beginning somehow grew to feedback upon itself and form awareness, much like Hofstader proposes the strange loops forming a cascade of symbols leading to consciousness.

Yes, this is a lot of hand-waving, but, as you say, we are stuck with today’s words, and perhaps whatever started reality is now long gone and beyond our grasp.

But we can still ask questions like ‘Given all this, how should we live our lives?’

What happened after the TOE’s early doings is something we can at least get a handle on, but will never be as interesting as the TOE, although it still affects our outlook on the human condition.

Here I tried to speculate on such in post #180, ‘The Meadows of Heaven’:

http://www.toequest.com/forum/cosmol...html#post46233

Although I have since changed the last part to say ‘…some of the luckiest sons and daughters of being…’

Finally, there’s an old thread that attempts to tell how our being works from movement of appearances through space at our human level, for the TOE must explain EVERYTHING, relating it all back to the simple entities.

http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...g-reality.html

Is the quantum world inside the Planck length where the potential might be, or must it be deeper than that—even what gave rise to the quantum world?

Should the accepted superposition of all possibilities in the quantum world be taken as proof that our potential/posssibility theory should be taken more seriously that there's more to all than nothing or something?