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Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com  I think that your primes' math and the underlying series does indeed show that '0' is necessary and that we can probably show separation in nature after Materialization, but how do we show that it must carry through to 'before' Materialization? Because more than one fundamental wouldn't have survived as such if all were ONE beforehand? |
What was before the Big Bang cannot be told in specifics, Austin, only in half-vague descriptions. However, though nothing was not actively present prior to the Big Bang, the potential for nothing was already there, otherwise it could not have started to play its important role.
To say this in a different way, while also trying to satisfy those who want to see nothing at all in the phenomenon of nothing, the condition of 'letting go' or 'separation' is required in the pre-Big Bang state, otherwise the Big Bang could not have successfully lead to the universe in which separation is paramount. Personally, I believe the pre-BB condition needed to be stressful to such an extent that an automatic trigger for additional separation(s) would be in place right after the first minor "letting go."
So, without knowing the true nature of the pre-Big Bang, it is possible to state that
from our perspective that was a situation of ONE, but placed under such conditions that separation became paramount. Important to note here is that this is an explanation, given just from our perspective. Parts of the pre-BB could have remained in rest mode, not partaking in the stressful situation. It is good to keep in mind that our words and concepts are from after the BB, so only half-vague and rudimentary conditions can be described.
The fundamentals of our universe are therefore based on themselves within this universe; they do not belong to the fundamental(s) of the pre-BB. It is almost like democracy in which a nation is not based on a god-given precept nor on foreign royalty proclaiming a nation to exist, but simply on the people living in that nation themselves. The fundamentals of our universe are self-based, though they (but not all of them) do bump into each other of course.
To show you how old this delivery already is, the Norse describe this image to us in their ancient delivery of their gods. Their all-father Odin committed suicide on the tree-of-life to discover true nature, and after that miraculous and quite unnatural act he was still alive, no longer alone/surrounded by the other gods. Odin himself became then one of these gods, so it can be seen as a step down from his previous position in which he was everything - or if you wish a step up in the new situation in which he was no longer alone. His singularity was sacrificed in the act.