[JAK]

Originally Posted by futrethink ---True. ---From that ‘law’ paradoxes cannot exist and yet, we have massenergy, something that is matter, its seeming opposite/contradiction of energy, both at the same time and none of any subjective description. I’d throw in that it doesn’t even exist, but that is for later debate. ---A light bulb is dark and light at the same time. An individual is old and young at the same time. A Möbius strip is infinite and finite at the same time. Pi is finite and supposedly, infinite at the same time. ---Just because, you can only see the one side of ‘what is’, doesn’t eliminate the ‘what it’s not’ from existence, just from a perception.

This is why the 3rd law is so fascinating to me. "Old" and "young" are relative. A senior citizen may be older than an infant but is still younger than planet Earth. It gets back to your point about "perception". The context of our perceptions are critical to our identification.

And an object, relative to our use of it, seems critical to our identification of it. A sharp rock which could be used to scrape hides becomes "a scraper", while a slender and sharp one becomes a spear point. A board with 4 legs is a table. If you add a small drawer, it becomes a desk - especially if you leave envelopes, paper, and pens inside the drawer. If you put cards, perhaps it becomes a gaming table.

Again, perception seems critical to "labeling" any object.

Originally Posted by futrethink ---True. ---That is a chicken and egg belief. ---Without changes, you can’t know that time exists and without time, you can’t see the changes happening. ---True. ---True. Comparisons with other patterns and concepts, that seem to have no pattern/are chaotic. ---Boundaries can be perceived as fuzzy, crisp or nonexistent, depending upon how you look at those boundaries. As stated above, just because, you can only see the one side of ‘what is’, doesn’t eliminate the ‘what it’s not’ from existence, just from a perception. ---Impossibilities are things that are ‘impossible’ to find in an infinite reality. Not intended as a joke, just, a really hard way to describe it. ---On a line with finite limits, yes that would be a way to look at it. ---Try this equation as a way of looking at it: ...+x/-3x_+x/-2x_x/-x_0_-x/+x_-x/+2x_-x/+3x... . ‘0’ is the oneness/indeterminate/undecided state (it, just, IS). The sides count as the state of the boundaries of the opposites: x=dark and -x=light. x=hard and –x=soft, x=matter and –x=energy. x=action and –x=inaction. ---You were curious about my perceptions of things JAK, tell me this, is a two-dimensional line a line or a perception of a really skinny tube?

To me, perception requires all 4 dimensions. Thus, any two-dimensional object is perceived in 4-D. Yet, our flexible imaginations allow us to envision 2-dimensional space. In this regard, we perceive a 2-D line of zero depth.

Originally Posted by futrethink ---In an infinite reality, there are no/nonexistent limits to anything; an individual can be frozen in time and active at the same time, energy can be destroyed and reality does/does not exist at the same time. And for all the Laws that you find, there are exceptions found to prove those Laws are wrong.

Thank you for your thoughtful response, futrethink!

I'm open to having my mind changed, and I am especially interested in your last comment. Please provide an exception that you perceive.