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Originally Posted by futrethink ---Only 4? What about the other 7 Membranes/dimensions (DiMEMsions?), that have been hypothesized?

I've wondered about "time" being 3 dimensional just like space, which would get me up to 6 dimensions, but as you say, it's all hypothetical. Meanwhile, everyone seems agreeable to "time" as at least one dimension over and above the three attributed to space.

Originally Posted by futrethink ---Yeah. This is a stretch, I know, but following ‘the all things in all times and all places’ mentality of infinity; you have to conceive of an alternate dimension (DAmension), in which life exists in only two dimensions. Is that 2D line a line or our 3D perception of a really skinny tube?

Like the 7 Membranes/dimensions, life in 2D is conceptual. If it is truly alive, then it must be dynamic (by definition). That leaves only 1 dimension remaining - a dot or point.

I'm afraid I'm not able to get a sufficient grip on this concept in order to comment.

Originally Posted by futrethink ---You’re going to have to be more specific as to which laws or thoughts you want me to bring exceptions to?

You can continue with the 2D exception you made above, but I am finding it difficult to see that it can exist, let alone be an exception.

Originally Posted by futrethink ---I am assuming, that you are meaning the exceptions to my final comments and more specifically the destruction of massenergy? There is only on specific set of variables and perceptions, in which that possibility might be objectively found and that would have to be a nonexistent linear perception of a concept of time/temporal energy continuing past a/the point in which objective/subjective time ends/begins (circular time). If you think trying to read that is fun, try describing it without using entire paragraphs (Like you had to, to describe the multiple perceptions of what a board was/is/will be.).

You're right, if this is our next stop on our journey, then we will need to slow this down and spread (expand) it out in order for me to see your point better. For instance, I did catch "nonexistent linear perception" as having an inherent conflict. Any perception is a 4D process within the mind. You would need to give me an example of a "nonexistent linear perception" which actually exists! If it doesn't exist, it is not an exception. If it is a mental construct, then it is 4D.

Originally Posted by futrethink ---There is another possibility, as well; nonexistence (within circular time) is the result of two waves/DAmensions of contradicting energy coming into contact with each other and nullifying the other’s existence throughout the entirety of time. As white noise can be used to counter noise or antigravity can be used to counter gravity and thereby nullifying each other, so to can the same happen with energy on a greater level. And yes, I know that the energy merely becomes altered, but it also leaves a certain range of perception.

Again, we are discussing possibilities rather than evidence. I enjoy such discussions because they sweep out the cobwebs in my old brain. (I have 7 grandkids.) However, if there is no evidence, my laws are safe from exceptions (at least for now and until evidence to the contrary surfaces).

Originally Posted by futrethink ---Think of reality as a 3 ring binder; pages of differing elements of differing degrees, can be moved from one spot in the binder to another and placed near other pages. Say that you have a starting and small number of 3000 pages (That are numbered). Mix around those pages and sooner or later, you will have two differing/degreeing pages of a nullifying nature come into contact with each other. Continue mixing all those pages in all the possible combinations and you end up with blank/now nonexistent numbers within that 3000 count of numbers. Renumber the remaining numbered pages and use them. In a way, it is like the pages have never existed or are completely nonexistent.

Again, "nonexistent" is also a "nonexception". Perceptions and conceptions - even those of imaginary 1D or 2D patterns - are actually 4D critters which are alive and well in the brain and mind. Every exception you are divising is born as a 4D idea in your mind. Further, describing them requires the "language of the realm" requiring at least verbs (2nd law - at least 1 dimension) and the implication of nouns (1st law - from 1 to 3 dimensions). If you choose to use adjectives or adverbs, then I get a "hat-trick" - all 3 laws.

Originally Posted by futrethink ---With the changing effect of time, certain DAmensions will come into contact with each other and nullify each other out of existence. Their loss will not be noticed by other DAmensions that have had no contact with them and will thereby never have noticed their removal from reality/the book. Those lost DAmensions will, in effect, be fully nonexistent, because the totality of their massenergy/time/space/thoughts will never have existed, do not exist and never will exist, because that type of energy contact will always become nonexistent.

This might be your best exception to date.

The existence of any such DAmension with attributes which differ from ours could be an exception. However, if such DAmensions end up being nonexistent, then they end up being nonexceptions, too. It is only while they exist that they pose being an exception.

Also, your frequent reference to "nonexistent" is also the key to all my 3 laws - the existence of "not". Every reference to "nonexistent" is saying "not existent", and I'm thinking, 1st law. The key to my laws are not dimensions but the existence of "not" and zero. Every time you use "non", I'm hearing "1st law". And any exception will require the 1st law.

I'm more than happy to continue looking for exceptions, but the 3 laws are not necessarily constrained by dimensions. I use dimensional references just for convenience to the reader.

By definition, "exception" is the embodiment of the 1st law - the existence of "not".