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05-17-2008, 02:23 PM
Re: 3 Laws of Difference

---JAK.
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I've wondered about "time" being 3 dimensional just like space, which would get me up to 6 dimensions, but as you say, it's all hypothetical.
---Introduction to M-theory It did this by asserting that strings are really 1-dimensional slices of a 2-dimensional membrane which is vibrating in 11-dimensional space.
M-theory This means that if one studied supergravity on an eleven-dimensional spacetime that looks like the product of a ten-dimensional spacetime with another very small one-dimensional manifold, one gets the Type IIA supergravity theory. (The underlines are mine.)
---Hypothetical, true. But if you have a starting point of a “0” (something that is, isn’t, is both and nothing.), you have to go somewhere and if, like Pi, you have no end, that gives you more than just 1, 2, 3 or 4, doesn’t it?
---And, I have already mentioned; just because, you can only see the one side of ‘what is’, doesn’t eliminate the ‘what it’s not’ from existence, just from a perception. A blind person doesn’t have the visual sense of depth perception, but that doesn’t remove depth perception from reality.
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Like the 7 Membranes/dimensions, life in 2D is conceptual. If it is truly alive, then it must be dynamic (by definition).
---True. Dynamic in what perception? We can physically perceive only two dimensions and mentally construct a third dimension, but that doesn’t stop a temporal fourth from existing. Is it really that much of a stretch, to perceive a world that can only physically see/perceive one dimension, mentally construct a second dimension and have a temporal dimension as the third? It is still dynamic, isn’t it?
---Actually, from reading Mohan. C's post above, I can see how it might be impossible to figure it out, from our understandings/beliefs of one dimensional concepts.
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That leaves only 1 dimension remaining - a dot or point.
---A singularity or a “0”. Something that can only perceive itself, has nothing else to perceive around it and has nothing else to perceive its existence; it is perceived, it isn’t perceived, it is both and nothing (it doesn’t exist, because it only believes it can perceive itself and a belief is an objectively nonexistent future probability).
---How does it perceive that it has changing/a different time outside of what it believes?
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You would need to give me an example of a "nonexistent linear perception" which actually exists! If it doesn't exist, it is not an exception. If it is a mental construct, then it is 4D.
---This ‘nonexistent linear perception’ concept, involves understanding how time is; past (what was and always has been), present (what is, being created from the mergence of what was and what might be, but doesn’t actually exist, yet) and future (a possibility, that has no subjective existence, except as a belief and no objective existence to a singular(ity) being that does and doesn’t perceive {think of a person in a coma, a deep/black sleep or a trance} and has no thoughts of time or space.)
---Circular time is often shown as a ball. Shove a rod (linear time) from one outside point to another outside point, but don’t go past the finite edges of the exterior of that ball. Hypothetically, mathematically or within a computer model, you can draw an infinite line past the point of the edges of that ball, from each end of that rod, but that finite ball doesn’t exist on that hypothetical line.
---We can think/believe/guess/hypothesize of a future past the point of the edges of circular time, but that will not make that line an objective reality/existent/real thing, because it will not exist outside the ending point and never has existed before the starting point.
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Again, "nonexistent" is also a "nonexception". Perceptions and conceptions - even those of imaginary 1D or 2D patterns - are actually 4D critters which are alive and well in the brain and mind. Every exception you are divising is born as a 4D idea in your mind.
---True. They exist as long as an actively perceiving brain and mind exists. A brain and mind that is actively involving perceptions/concepts and inactively involving perceptions/concepts, at the same time, would be the exception, within existence. The different/is and is not perceptions and concepts still exist, but they aren’t being perceived as different, in any way shape or form, by themselves or others; they just are. So, they are, in a way, no different from any other thing and no differences exist.
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By definition, "exception" is the embodiment of the 1st law - the existence of "not".
---True, but you first have to have a perception of the concepts that the symbols of ‘exception’ and ‘not’ describe, otherwise, your ‘law’ doesn’t even exist and becomes the exception to the rule.
---No perception=no differences.
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