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Originally Posted by futrethink

---Comes down to perceptions and what seems to be a play on words, but isn’t; the energy that makes up my being does not stay in one spot or exist in a stasis, at one level of perception and travels through all of existence, so, in a way, my being extends everywhere and includes you as a part of it. It works as vise versa, as well, but it depends on the perception of you and me.

You are now going into the standard All is One idea of Buddhism. (I thought you said earlier that this discussion was not going toward spiritual stuff?)

Originally Posted by futrethink

---Comes down to perceptions and what seems to be a play on words, but isn’t; the energy that makes up my being does not stay in one spot or exist in a stasis, at one level of perception and travels through all of existence, so, in a way, my being extends everywhere and includes you as a part of it. It works as vise versa, as well, but it depends on the perception of you and me.

Your logic is faltering again. Once you fall out of stasis, you are no longer a featureless being. The instance that happens, the 3 laws are activated. And prior to movement, the 3 laws are potentials of the being. Fundamentally, the being has the potential for creating difference whether it "chooses" to or not. (I use "choose" in the same sense that you use "perceive".)

Originally Posted by futrethink

---That involves a long discussion on why we have the non-meaning/meaning of life; to search for the answer to the question, “Is there nothing more?”

I think a short discussion would work. If you declare the universe to be one "being", then there cannot be anything more. This "being" is all, in all (omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and all that jazz.)

Originally Posted by futrethink

---Let me put it another way; we/everyone/you/I use/create/see differences to search for if there are anymore differences, out there, past what we/everyone/you/I know is the same in our/everyone’s/your/my existence and not different.
---Perception # 1: It doesn’t mean a damn thing to me, if I am infinite and finite. It also doesn’t mean a thing to the rest of reality since, to the moon, I don’t mean a damn thing either.
---Perception # 2: It is important that I am infinite and finite, because it allows me to have the freedom to choose any future I want, but only from what is available for me to choose from. And others perceive the same thing, when expecting me to make a choice involving them.
---Perception # 3: It is both, because both things are happening to me at the same time.
---Perception # 4: It is neither, because without paying attention to any of those things, I just am.
---Perception # 5: It is all those things, because every one of those things happen within and are perceived by the rest of reality.
---Perception # 6: It is none of these 6 perceptions, because there is nothing outside of reality to give a care or perceive anything and there is no difference of totality of it all.
---Do you mean in the sense of Drifter’s, MJA’s and Melanie’s ramblings?
---No.
---Drifter’s, MJA’s and Melanie’s ramblings notwithstanding, if you separate the wheat from the chaff, you find that what he (Drifter mainly) is saying is something that scientists are saying in their scientific hypotheses and theories. It is only because, he has learned these things from such writings and that type of style that that is the only way he can think of disseminating the same information.
---He, Drifter, also has an arrogance that, won’t allow him to notice, if someone else is describing the same thing, but using different words. He is too busy selling his ideas, to notice when others already have the same things.

Futrethink, overall, I do not believe you have refuted the 3 laws.

Ultimately, you appear to claim the "Buddha Oneness". Science also agrees that everything in the universe is connected into one whole. The connectedness is termed energy.

To support your claim, it is necessary to envision a universal and featureless potential. That potential holds the ability to create differences within the being itself. (There is nothing else that could be differentiated.) Though this being may be featureless at birth, it can produce features. Thus, this being is the ultimate Creator. And it follows that this being can also return to the featureless state.

However, once this being creates any difference, at least the 1st law of differences exists. Further, because a featureless state pre-existed the featured state, a change has occured and the 2nd law of difference is required. And because any change is relative to the featureless original state of the being, the 3rd law of difference also exists.

Now, once the being returns to the featureless state, do the 3 laws of difference exist? I claim that they do. For without the potential to create difference, the being cannot create, the being cannot move, the being cannot produce feature.

The paradox is how can a being with inherent (but unused) potential be considered featureless? If this being can assume two states - featured and featureless, is this not duality?


BTW, the laws of difference are not limiting. You can still be infinite under the 3 laws if you choose. The 3 laws only say that you can choose to be limited - for as long as you want. And is that not what this "being" does in creating a feature - "choose" a limitation, choose a "not"?

Fundamentally, the 3 laws enable the being to have choice. A truly featureless being cannot "choose", it cannot have multiple states. Only through having choices does it become infinite.