Aha! So we move from ownership to existence... and also fragility. I conclude that conceptually we are not clear what any of this is "about". Or rather I become cynical and suspicious of the words used - do they mean for you what they mean for me? Sometimes I think everything is just linguistics.
But I have some comments on this from Guille:
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Originally Posted by <<>> All of what a mind can know is that it exists in the mental existence. Neither can I know that my body exist. Or my mind know that other minds exist. Or that other objects exist. Or that "other" exists. Or that my mind has a physical existence (the brain). The thing is that we can only KNOW and be SURE to have the TRUTH when we THINK that we THINK (have a mind). |
Very Cartesian. I do not agree though. All the mind can know is the appearance and the appearance is not "mental existence" at all! On the contrary all the mind can "know" is what appears to be sky and furniture and Tuesday and the taste of nmaple syrup and so on. As to what that actually is, and what we are as we take this possibly illusiary reality into us, we cannot know that.
The only thing that for me "is" and "is sure" is that duality is the process of all processes. To simplify, to start somewhere, presumably we are contained bubbles of consciousness apparently in material forms, but we cannot really know, we just make that up as an unquestioned axiom "just supposed". Ten or ten hundred years later we might invent some other starting point and on we go. Yet there is something in our existence and our thinking about that existence - and that is the constant reframing of figure and background. Thinking is the thing the mind does, and thinking goes - this here piece of "reality" is something DISTINCT from ... some background or other thing. "God" is distinct from "not God", sardines are distinct from herrings and whales and monkeys, and thought is ultimately COMPARISON (apparently the words "mind" "maia" and "measurement" are all from the same root). Comparision is the essence of thinking, it is basically dualistic or dialectic and it winds on and on and on and on recursively, umbilically, or in a word, fractally. Which is why Fractal Dialectics is the nature of the mind thinking, but as to the nature or "reality" out there, we can never know for sure. That we all agree upon. And yet, we wish, it is only human, we wish for a glimmer of sunlight in the darkness that is "real" beyond this "game" of thinking round and round. In that yearning for some solid foundation, often people settle for orgasm, epiphany, passion, and other experiences which to the scientist are merely sets of waves in a human neurology.
Coming back to "ownership" - I will post separately now...