[harmonygirl]

I have come across something a little odd while I was researching. It seems that a relationship has been made between the earth and a cube, wind and the octohedron, Fire and a tetrahedron, water and icosahedron and finally, ether and a dodecahedron. Each of these shapes comprise the 5 Platonic solids and has led me to Plato's Theory of Everything. I am just learning about this, but these shapes seem to have formed sub-atomic particles in Plato's Timaeus. He seems to have formed the idea that all matter is composed of all 4 elements at a sub-atomic level. I am still learning about this but he seemed to think that at a sub-atomic level, particles could split up and recombine. Does anyone know anything about this?

[Guille]

I know about Plato's theory that it is wrong. But still it's interesting to see what shapes he gave the different 4 particles. He just used the four more common figures of Greek arquitecture, cube, octohedron, tetrahedron, icosahedron and the supposed ether (his idea was very different to 19th century ether and to recent aether) as dodecahedron.

[harmonygirl]

Hey Guille can you explain why you believe it to be wrong?

[HappytheStripper]

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Regards Ashley

[Guille]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Hey Guille can you explain why you believe it to be wrong?

Two guys in the time and place of Plato, one of them called Democritus, the other I don't know and it doesn't matter, hypothesized that the universe wasn't made of the four elements as Greek mythology, presocratic philosophy, and all the way to Plato had believed, but of indivisible particles, that is, atoms. More than twenty three centuries later, a few discoverments about the nature of cellulas lead to molecules, and these to the revival of the idea of atoms. In 1905 Einstein proved their existence mathematically. Not very much later Bohr developed the atomic model explained to me in school nearly two years ago. Experiments of all kinds in the 20th century have proven their existence in many ways, and that of their structure. Also, other scientific ideas, like space-time, the falsity of euclidean geometry (gauss&riemann alternatives), maxwell's electromagneticoptical unification, the alchimian discoverment of fire as a non-element but pure reaction... Have proven that the world is not made of the famous 4 elements and that the shapes they have in particle is not that, in fact, they are believed 8for me wrongly) to be zero dimensional. The thing is that the theory is wrong. Ignoring the facts doesn't make them dissapear. Einstein was a good physicist, but not a good man for life; he said we shoudl change the data if it doesn't match the theory, and that's stupid, even for a philosopher (it is what those I most hate; politicians (except lenin and Heidegger), economists (not that I hate all money makers, that includes my father etz), lawyers (not that I hate you)... do). The theory is over the practice, and you cannot be one on the other.

[archetype]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl I have come across something a little odd while I was researching. It seems that a relationship has been made between the earth and a cube, wind and the octohedron, Fire and a tetrahedron, water and icosahedron and finally, ether and a dodecahedron. Each of these shapes comprise the 5 Platonic solids and has led me to Plato's Theory of Everything. I am just learning about this, but these shapes seem to have formed sub-atomic particles in Plato's Timaeus. He seems to have formed the idea that all matter is composed of all 4 elements at a sub-atomic level. I am still learning about this but he seemed to think that at a sub-atomic level, particles could split up and recombine. Does anyone know anything about this?

An interesting thread-starter Harmonygirl! You know, if you're interested in platonic solids, you might really want to check out the work of Kosol Ouch. He has made a design for a Torsion Field Generator, aka the Celestial Wishing Stone, which utilizes the geometry of platonic solids. Check it out!

[harmonygirl]

I definitely will!

[mkirkpatrick]

As you well know Harmony,all things are connected,the four basic elements
of earth.air, fire,and water,can and indeed are expressed in many forms and
shapes,and theyare all very interesting if you are into form and shape,or our
a mathamatian,to me they all resolve back into the one primal shape,that of the sphere,if I think of many forms,and think too long on this,I invite con-
fusion and chaos to enter.there is but one,not many!A straight line can be made into many different shapes,but if you give it a hard tug,it will once more become a straight line,that will by its inherit nature,return back into a sphere?Plato is a great soul,who else spoke of Atlantis??

kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

actually Michael, maybe you can comment on the lastest query I have with the 4 elements, where does ether fit in? The 5 solid platonic shapes made mention of the dodecahedron which is ascribed to ether. Is the ether present in the other 4?(but if so, why have a separate shape?) so confused....

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl actually Michael, maybe you can comment on the lastest query I have with the 4 elements, where does ether fit in? The 5 solid platonic shapes made mention of the dodecahedron which is ascribed to ether. Is the ether present in the other 4?(but if so, why have a separate shape?) so confused....

Harmony,where does ether fit in?????Ether does not fit in!All of the universe that is at present manifest,is solely Ether,
ether is the supplier of all "apparent" differences and "names" of"things",all of
the four elements are made of ether,this is why I keep repeating,that there is but ONE,confusion lies with trying to get your head around "many",there are not MANY,there is but one,Ether is the universal SOUL that isthe supplier of
all apparent shape and form.The ether is the cloth of the universe,the tailor
well thats another story?

kind regards michael.